Movie Retakes - Bill & Ted

Brothers Matt and Chris Sully talk Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure, Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey & the upcoming sequel Bill & Ted Face the Music but, before seeing the third movie in the trilogy, pitch their own ideas on what the next Bill & Ted Movie Retake should look like.

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Transcript

Chris Sully:   0:15
in the cinematic sea of prequel Sequels, reboots and re imaginings. Movie retakes discusses Hollywood's new takes on beloved movie classes. I'm big selling, and this is Matt Sully. With our own opinions and pitches, we address the question. Should they make it, or should they leave it alone

Matt Sully:   0:33
this week? We're going to be discussing the bill and Ted trilogy.

Chris Sully:   0:38
No way.

Matt Sully:   0:41
And our, I think, a shared love of Bill and Ted's excellent adventure. Ah, with pretty much everybody in the universe. Since they did save the planet in all of humanity, I think we're all required. It left the documentary. You mean it's Yeah, it's Ah, it's just them following around real life teenagers who, ah, happen to time travel and save all of humanity. I'm pretty sure the yeah, George Carlin is from the future. And, uh, still living on in some capacity somewhere

Chris Sully:   1:15
had to be I mean, who else could have written the ah, the TV rules? For what cuss words not to say in the exact order that they put it in to effect in the FAA? Yeah. Yeah,

Matt Sully:   1:27
the guy was, uh, is really smart. Like he's probably one of the top 10 best comedians of all time. Like he just he had a way about him. You know, that's big thing of being a comedian is you have to have where when you start a joke or your your voice, your delivery and people without even seeing your face, just know exactly who that is. What got us George Carlin like I know exactly how he delivers his stuff, And, um, I would say that Denis Leary probably had George Carlin as an idol. Um, I don't know what the divide there isn't in time and age, but I would assume it was enough where he has probably seen him, at least even if he has skin. It started as comedian and try to model himself after that, cause there is some similarity there, except Denis Leary is just much angrier. While George Carlin's kind of cool

Chris Sully:   2:20
Yeah, he's able to go on just slightly longer rants that a little faster speed. But yeah, you're right. I think it's probably a good 20 year age difference. Yes, I could see him growing up. Is a teen listening to Carlin albums?

Matt Sully:   2:33
Yeah, yeah, there's it's the same comedian George Carlin smokes weed while Denis Leary's on cooking. That's Zed classic. All right, so, uh, like a So we're going to be talking about Bill and Ted. Ah, and that includes Bill and Ted's excellent adventure from 1989 as well as Bill and Ted's bogus journey from 1991. Ahh. And then we're gonna talk about the new bill Internet Bill and Ted face music a cz Wells give our own pitches on. Ah, whatever. We're entitling our bill and Ted third and storm, so we'll start with So, what? We have any Ah! Ah, stuff. We want to mention that we do have, ah, Twitter account going on Ah, at movie retakes.

Chris Sully:   3:22
So jump in there jumping the conversation Even if you are in a Twitter user, I hear a lot of people going. I don't get it. Just just follow us and then and then join in the conversation, answer questions, be part of the conversation and see where it goes. Yeah, because if you

Matt Sully:   3:35
love movies, obviously you do. If you're listening to us. Ah, I think you're gonna get a lot out of the interaction on there because we're going to be talking about not just our our podcast, but probably a little bit of snippets here and there on. Ah, when we actually go see these movies Because the stuff we're talking about hasn't come out yet. Ah, and we're excited to go see these as well. Ah, and they may be great. They may be horrible, but ah, we wantto ah ah goes do some back and forth with with you and find out what you thought as well as give our own opinions. Because if there's one thing everybody on the

Chris Sully:   4:07
Internet has, it's an opinion. It's true. They're all worthwhile, right? Um, sure. Every single one of them. Yeah.

Matt Sully:   4:15
Um, so synopsis here for Bill Ted's excellent adventure. We're pulling this from IMDb to seemingly dumb teens set off on a quest to prepare the ultimate historical presentation with the help of a time machine

Chris Sully:   4:29
that's pretty solid, seemingly giving a little leeway to the boys There are away if if if I'm ah, movie producer. Uh, probably I don't

Matt Sully:   4:41
know if I throw money at that, but ah, but it's decent description for bogus journey. A tyrant from the future creates evil android doubles of Bill and Ted and sends them back to eliminate the originals. Yeah, Not as good a description, but it's ah, it does include the story, like, actually, doesn't. It did include a lot. A lot of stuff that happens. There's probably a better description. Wait for that. For that.

Chris Sully:   5:04
I don't want to give away too much. Just a little. A little taste, something, something.

Matt Sully:   5:08
Yeah, avoiding the spoilers. As in describing anything about the movie. It'll Bill on Dad's, innit? Go see it. Um, So, uh, when excellent adventure came out, that was 1989. And this was just a massive year at the movies. I mean, I actually remember this year, um, going to see most if not all of these movies, if I could and or had to sneak in. Probably the weapon, too. But listen to this. The top grossing films of the year, where Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade, which I still would like to say that that's probably the best like trilogy like third installment of a movie Siri's ever. And in my opinion, I never saw the glass skull goes right. Crystals crystals kill one of those skills. Ah, because I didn't want to, because Because when I saw last crusade. I'm like, Yep, they nailed it. That's the ending. We don't need anything else. I'm done. And I'm I have the same opinion, actually, about the new one eye until we discuss whether or not that's gonna be one of our one of our podcasts, And then I'm forced to go see it, which I'm not looking forward to. But you know this this will be the thing we're gonna have some movies that possibly don't really enjoy. Um, also that year Tim Burton's Batman, which was just huge. I mean, this was way before every other movie came out was a superhero movie. This and previous to this was what the Batman, um, with uh ah. Adam West. Adam West. Thank you. I mean, really was at the That was, I think, until Tim Burton came in and took Michael Keaton and he became Batman. I can't think there was another one before that, right?

Chris Sully:   6:59
Yeah. I mean, they did that the TV series in the sixties. And then there were some movies with Adam West, and and, uh, yes, I'm the kid who played Robin.

Matt Sully:   7:07
I guess I'm worrying that wrong. I'm saying like before or after Adam West. I think the next person playing Batman was Michael Keaton. And, uh, I think that was it. Yeah, that's a big gap there. And ah, you know, this is This is like I say, this is not everybody was rushing to go see comic book movies, essentially superhero movies, and ah, but this one just got everybody. Everybody loved it. Tim Burton would did a great job with it. Anyway, this isn't the Tim Burton's Batman. Ah, podcast, uh, back to the future to now. I just want to talk about all these because they're also future, too. I mean, can you imagine? You go out and see bam and then you go see back to the future, too. Er Ghostbusters to also just massive lethal weapon, too. That's Dead Poets Society. Ah, also a great movie, but maybe a little bit off in its own, apart from those sort of adventure action sci fi blockbusters. But, you know, Dead Poets Society is ah ah, spectacular film and its own right, Um And then also on top of that, there was some big family films. Look who's talking. Ah, which was a big hit um, and very funny. Bruce Willis did the voice with the baby in that one. Ah, I shrunk. The kids are honey, I shrunk the kids. Sorry. Which was also very good. I remember seeing that. And ah, everybody loved that movie. Um, Rick Moranis, like, ah, uh, I hear that he's supposed to come back for another Shrunk the kid's movie. They're

Chris Sully:   8:44
doing a Disney Plus series. I was, Honey, I shrunk the kids. Yeah,

Matt Sully:   8:48
it's serious. Okay, But he's gonna be in it, right?

Chris Sully:   8:52
Yeah, that's the That's the conversation I've heard.

Matt Sully:   8:54
That's great. Yeah, he, uh, from and I don't know how much is rumor, but apparently he just He kind of disappeared as an actor for a long time. Um, which is horrible because he really was a very entertaining actor. It was. Is he, ah, apparently was taking care of his wife who got sick for quite a while. So basically just said I'm done retired from the spotlight, gonna take care of a family for a while, which, you know, that's very honorable and a wonderful thing to do. Not everybody would do that, but it'll be nice to see him again because he was a is great face and great actor. And, you know, they don't always come around as often as we like, and so would be good to have him back. Also, the Little Mermaid, which ah, everybody's seen whether you're a kid or not like it. You saw that 50 60 times. Uh uh uh, and this was this was part of that time where Disney was ramping up again, where you know they had

Chris Sully:   9:52
on that may be a bit of a low.

Matt Sully:   9:55
You know, Disney has always been huge, but they weren't. They were relying on the old classics, you know, pulling things out of the vault every couple of years just to basically get sales again on the old stuff. They were already relying on the Cinderellas and all these sorts of things. And then Lo Mermaid came out. What was that? Beauty and the beast after that. And a lad, Lion lying God and everyone was just huge. I mean, it was it was it was a big production. The animation was amazing. They were started working in CG and a lot of that stuff and it looked really great. Um, so anyway, these these air massive, massive movies. And then we've got our little bill and Ted's excellent adventure. Like, uh, that's a That's a lot of competition, and I I think it's amazing this time travel movie especially, gets back to the future to got any attention at all. Ah, unknown cast. Ah, but from time period on the month it was released, they weren't trying to compete with the summer blockbusters. This actually came out in February. Its biggest competitors. Er yeah, that's nobody

Chris Sully:   11:04
just in time for Valentine's Day. That's what I was thinking. I was looking

Matt Sully:   11:08
at What else was was coming out. I'm like, Who is spending their Valentine's Day at the theater with any of these movies? What else came out in February was the fly, too? Uh, which? I don't remember that being all that great, I did enjoy the fly. Um, that was that was Ah, very good. Who's Harry Crumb? Ah, with John Candy and the burbs and with Tom Hanks. And you would think that John Candy. Come on, Tom Hanks. Come on. Both of those should have just blown everybody else out of the water. But who's Harry? Crumb was not a great movie Ah, I don't It's just one of those that it's the embarrassing sort of low film that Ah actors have from time to time the burbs, while it's a personal favorite of mine, sort of a semi dark comedy. And I don't think American owned audiences were really all that comfortable with those types of films as they are now. And even now, Ah, they're not huge hits. You don't see a lot of those being made all the time. They come out like, whatever. Five years there's a dark comedy that actually does decent. Um,

Chris Sully:   12:18
you know, people now are always complaining that Hollywood has no new ideas. And looking at that list of the movies that did come out in 89 almost all of those were Sequels except Batman, Dead Poets Society and the and the Family films that you mentioned. Bill and Ted filled that need that people may not have been that vocal about at the time, and and when they wanted some original content, something totally different. That's true. Maybe that had something to do with it,

Matt Sully:   12:43
and I guess we're kind of that's a good point cause we're here. We are again. I mean, we're doing a whole podcast Siris on on these retakes. And here we were in that year, they're doing another Indiana Jones. They were bringing back Batman back to visually the Web, Ghostbusters. They're all relying on stuff that already is established because they're starting to realize that's where the money is gonna get made like we've already got. You poured the time and the marketing into the 1st 1 So, yes, if it did anything at all, we got to make a 2nd 1 focus journey. Um, but so this is February of 1989. Ah, it's worth noting that Ah, both John Candy and Tom Hanks. Anti Anu had movies coming out later in the same year. So they had ah, Candy and Hank's had big summer releases with Uncle Book and Turner and Hooch. So then it starts to make sense where this is sort of these in the movies, they sort of sweep under the rug. They're gonna make a couple of dollars, maybe just enough to get their budget back. Maybe a little bit more, but they're not. That's not the ones they're worried about. Their gonna push out Uncle Buck and Turner huge. And both did ah massively. Well, they're still great movies. Um Cheon Ooh, you're asking what did he come out in Because who was Chiana Reefs? He was in Ron Howard's Parenthood. Ah, playing a similarly dopey supporting character named Todd Hagen's sounds kind of similar to Ah, Ted, uh, Todd and Ted. Yeah, and And Yeah, and I think that kind of established him as well. Maybe that's just who he is. Maybe he's not acting at all. And I think for the longest time ah, that's kind of how people saw can do as, ah bit of a bit of Ah, what? Maybe not necessarily a stoner dope like a California guy? Sort of.

Chris Sully:   14:39
That's it in a surfer brown server breath. Yeah, you were,

Matt Sully:   14:45
but, um, yeah, that was a huge year. So for excellent adventure. Um, like I said, counter Reeves. Some people knew him from babes in toyland, but I've never heard of a most dudes that certainly didn't watch babes in Toyland. Ah, if anything, Alex Winter was the bigger star. He had been in lost boys two years before. Uh, and lost boys is a great movie was less than you watch that?

Chris Sully:   15:12
Yep. That's just last year, I

Matt Sully:   15:15
guess. See, it's killer, man. Yeah, that's a great movie.

Chris Sully:   15:18
Great film. He's not huge,

Matt Sully:   15:19
innit? He probably has a what, 10 lines or something, but at least he was in a kind of a big movie. Um, but I am not much else after that. He can't switch over directing later on. Um, I think I think he's always gonna be known as Bill s Preston Esquire. And so that's why Ah, he's very, very happy. I'm sure to come back for this third installment, uh,

Chris Sully:   15:43
me before they finally a green lit this thing. I just would joke all the time. Like poor Alex winter. Just wait in the wing, going, Can you please? Can we do another one? I need to pay the rent, man. Give me something, please. Yeah, but he still

Matt Sully:   15:57
looks good. I mean, they both look like they're gonna gonna fit the part nicely. Um, George Carlin's probably the big star, um, in this but e, I don't think he got top billing. He's not on the cover or anything, but he might be on some covers. Um, they did have ah, different variants and stuff depending on where things were released. One of things I read that they actually was one of the Indians was supposed to be where they we're gonna go to the prom was gonna be the big ending. And there's actually some covers out there where they're all dressed up in these, you know, lame tuxedos, um, thinking of, like, dumb and dumber, sort of the orange and blue with the ruffles and the canes and stuff. But

Chris Sully:   16:38
in the ah most famous version of the poster, the one I think of it's got Bill and Ted like with their arms out to the side on top of the phone with George Carlin's head is on the moon in the background, like significantly smaller than the boys. That's

Matt Sully:   16:51
kind of sad, but

Chris Sully:   16:52
yeah, I mean, for George, screen time

Matt Sully:   16:54
wise. I mean, he's not in there a lot. I'd say they're probably even really have to probably like, what, 10 minutes or something? If that Um, yeah, so he was Ah, at the time, though, I think for our age bracket going to see this movie, I don't even know that we necessarily would have known who he waas like. One of them. You know, maybe somewhere in the background are parents were watching one of his standard backs or something with the week we kind of vaguely knew about him. Ah, the director of excellent adventure was Stephen Herek. Ah, he had come off critters from 1986. Ah, hi. I've seen that a couple of times. And I remember it being sort of entertaining, Honest, I'd have to go back and watch it again. Um, but, uh, it's it's one of those purposely campy sort of B horror films about little fuzzy. Why, I guess they're basically what triples is from. Ah, Star Trek there. Ah, but they troubles with teeth yet, but they eat after party. Um, after Bill and Ted. Ah, Stephen Herek went on to do Don't tell Mom. The baby sitter's dead in 1991 with Christina Applegate. He did the Mighty Ducks and 92 Emilio Estevez. They did the Three Musketeers, Mr Holland's Opus 101 Dalmatians. Aah! Holy man with Eddie Murphy and rock star with Mark Wahlberg. So pretty good. It's a good yes. Good, good resume their um Yeah, I don't think Holy man, A rock star but too well received. Ah, after that, he kind of trickled off to television, But he's not gone. He's consistently working, but just doesn't seem to be holding his own in the big blockbuster movie realm anymore. So when bogus journey comes out in 1991 this there was no February release. This was promoted as the summer blockbuster, and this goes back to what we're talking about, where build off the fame. I mean, excellent adventure did get some notoriety after this, and they're like, we got to keep going with these boys. They're gonna bring in the cash. Ah, but it

Chris Sully:   19:07
went up against Terminator two. Can you believe that? There's one clear time travel winner in this scenario? Yeah, What does that say?

Matt Sully:   19:17
Like, uh, every time it comes out as there's time travel all over the place, I think we were all falling in love with science fiction. I mean, uh, back to the future when it was coming out with Zemeckis there prior to that really got for our age group. We were starting. It was really feeding into our love of ah, sci fi and fantasy are a building love for, uh and Chiana, who also had a movie out the same month point

Chris Sully:   19:46
break that. So we got a pause there for a second. The Cheon who's having a resurgence now but to have two movies of that size come out in the same month. So amazing. And he's gonna have it again this year with the new bill and Ted with a new Matrix. And he's a featured character in that cyberpunk 2077 game and another John Wick movie coming out. They could all potentially end up coming out within a couple of months of one another.

Matt Sully:   20:17
Yeah, they will. That's insane. Yeah, especially, Ah, I mean, those Yeah, that's gonna be a massive. I mean, who thought

Chris Sully:   20:23
Who would

Matt Sully:   20:24
have thought that, like, I never looked at that guy been well, and and so I talk about this with my wife. I, um for the longest time, I did not respect. Can you as an actor, like to me, he was always Ted. He was always dopey and really didn't bring a whole lot of depth to any role. And then one day we're sitting around talking and I realized that I've seen, like every one of his movies, and

Chris Sully:   20:54
I really enjoy all the movies isn't And I come to this realization, like, way too sick, I might be his biggest fan. Uh, I love, like, really? Like I'll still

Matt Sully:   21:06
say that he's not, You know, I'm not gonna throw him in every dramatic role. Uh, you know, he's not gonna fit in everything, but damn it, I really like the guy. And apparently everybody else does, too.

Chris Sully:   21:19
And I don't know if it's him or his agent, but you look at the breadth of his work over his career from playing the server bra toe action movie guy to like, freakin full income for master artist comedian. He's done it all, and he's constantly trying new stuff. I mean, a lot of wins, but then you got some that weren't necessarily so well received. Like Johnny Pneumonic. That is like like matrix light at the time, you know? Yeah, it's ah, interesting his career, to say the least.

Matt Sully:   21:49
Yeah, and I had ah, was a video camera. I think there was a guy that basically did an analysis of canneries as an actor. Um, and, uh, every interview he ever gave, um, why he's so likeable. is because he never takes personal credit for anything. Every time anybody compliments him, he immediately shifts to complimenting someone else. He's like, Well, I was only able to do that because it's surrounded by amazing actors or the director of this blah, blah, blah. And he's smart, brilliant at that. He has, ah, very easy way about him. So when he does speak, he never gets, like, overly excited about anything. Everything's very calm. He takes his time in answering and everything, and you just kind of, yeah, you get low old into it. So, um hey Ah, and apparently maybe that's what his acting style was all along. It was not that he was dumb. He's just so mellow and calm like it's sort of a Zen like approach to acting where apparently he was like a Shakespearean trained actor to remember somebody saying that. And he was in

Chris Sully:   23:04
What?

Matt Sully:   23:04
Yeah. Hey, Well, he was in, Um Ah, Kenneth Brown us. Ah, he remember we needed a Serie A few A few of those different Shakespearean movies, which I enjoyed. Ah, lot of those think it was, um, much ado about nothing. I think he's in that. Yeah, of course we could Could look it up, but ah, a bit part. I don't remember who he played in there, but I remember seeing him. So he's actually in Ah ah, Shakespeare movie when I can I can. I promise. I think I was going with you. Well, not anybody else was

Chris Sully:   23:33
doing Shakespeare's. Yeah, that was definitely a niche niche thing for him at the time. Yeah, but he did

Matt Sully:   23:39
a great job. That's a whole separate discussion. But I enjoyed all those. Um, it was ah, much ado about nothing in 1993. Nailed. Great. So I do know a thing or two about, um There you go. So in 91 it wasn't just bogus journey and T, too. There was Kevin Costner's Robin Hood, uh, Disney's Beauty and the Beast. We mentioned that earlier. Good for them. Like just bam bam, Right. Robin Williams. Ah, and Dustin Hoffman and Hook, Which people are kind on the fence about that. But honestly,

Chris Sully:   24:11
I really like

Matt Sully:   24:11
that movie. I think, uh, I think it was a cool that would have been one of our movie retakes right there. Like, uh, it's a re imagining, right? Um of how that's handled. Ah, the silence of the Lambs, which JFK I want to see. That was a pretty decent film. But I I'm not gonna watch it again. I'm not an Oliver Stone family. Yeah. Ah, the Adam your family, which is Ah, great movie. And that does every watchability cape fear with the Nero. Another one that would have been on movie retakes. That's Ah, remake there and very well done. That's Ah, Martin Scorsese did that Hotshots and city slickers. So I mean, ah, divers, But all made a decent coin and ah, and then bogus journey is right there in the mix with them. Ah, in that ah, Alex Winter and galleries Air back and their main roles. Carlin's in there. Pam Grier Get some screen time. Ah, the other folks who are also going to be in the 3rd 1 are Ah ah, how Landon Junior is Ted's father, Amy stock pointing his missy, which was Bill Step ma

Chris Sully:   25:18
step moms Just shut up, missy. I mean, Mom.

Matt Sully:   25:29
Ah, And then in the 2nd 1 she's married to Ted's dad instead of bills. And they have They have Bill, played by Patrick McNamara, J. Patrick McNamara. Uh, he's all depressed in the they go. Hard core is makeup where he just looks like he's basically dying inside because is beloved missy has moved on. That's a pretty good gag there. Um,

Chris Sully:   25:52
Miss, he's a whore. What's that

Matt Sully:   25:56
from like, Tommy boy? Uh, Doug wrote. That's when the

Chris Sully:   26:00
whores come into town. Look what visited a prostitute once during

Matt Sully:   26:04
the war, and she won't let me leave

Chris Sully:   26:06
it that they were talking about missing the whole That

Matt Sully:   26:09
was just missing. She gets around, and I think at the end of ah, bogus journey, there's something else, Miss Egos and Mary's somebody else is one of those, like, newspaper clippings, and I can't remember who it is.

Chris Sully:   26:22
It was, Ah, anomalous. I was there. Yeah, that's what he wants.

Matt Sully:   26:27
Something. I guess unless there's a punishment in there, there must be if she keeps moving around. Maybe she broke breaks. Everybody.

Chris Sully:   26:33
You got herpes?

Matt Sully:   26:34
Yeah. Fix the plague of the future is really just missy. Um, Bogus journey was directed by Peter Hewitt. So we move on from Stephen Herek. A goes to Peter Hewitt. This was this first feature length movie. He went on to direct family films such as Tom Unhook the Borrowers, Garfield voiced by Bill Murray Zoom and a TV movie sequel of Home Alone Called Home Learned the Holiday Heist. Yeah,

Chris Sully:   27:02
or Peter? Yeah, I was trying not to get

Matt Sully:   27:05
too opinionated ine Elevens, but ah, yes, There's not much else I could mention in there where ah, really redeeming films Was that even? Ah, Bill Murray's like in zombie land is like that. You have

Chris Sully:   27:18
any regrets? Garfield Maybe s so good, So true. Yeah, um and you know how these air received is

Matt Sully:   27:30
reflected of? We're referencing rotten tomatoes here. Excellent of entry at 79%. Ah, bogus journey is 54%. So not quite as loved a man, though I seen all kinds of reviews where people were like I liked it better than the 1st 1 they think it's It's an amazing movie again. Everybody has opinions. Um, for moneywise. Ah, excellent adventure grossed 40.5 million against a $10 million budget. Nice. Nice job. They're bogus. Journey grows 38 million from a $20 million budget, so ah, slimmer margin there. Ah, profit. Not quite as good. They still made some money. But honestly, I don't know where that 20 million went, either. Um, so we re watch both of these movies, and now we can have some opinions. Tell me what you thought about both of you.

Chris Sully:   28:31
Well, I haven't watched bogus journey in a while, but, I mean, if we're gonna do this thing right, we get a sat on, Watch him Also, I watch Bill and Ted's excellent adventure a few days ago still holds up. I still love everything about it. I mean, right from the get go, right When the thing starts, that music, if they start playing, you could hear that from a mile away through glass. And go think someone's listening are watching Bill and Ted's excellent adventure because it's so iconic. Just like back to the future that music was so iconic. Ghostbusters. They just knew how to do that in the eighties, in the nineties, with those big films. I don't know that it happened so much today. I can't. I couldn't tell you another example, but that got me right from the get go on. Like I am in. I am ready for this adventure Paul Pun intended. Ah, I love that. I just made a couple of notes as I was watching, cause I think at this point, everybody seeming it. Seen it? We don't really have to drive it home if you haven't. What's wrong with you? Pauses thing. Go watch it now. Um, their research. They didn't have the Internet, so they were. Their research was asking people that we're walking into the circle K or their next plan was to go to the Thrifty Mart to get information from people. I thought that was brilliant. Deacon, Uh, they had a younger brother. Deacon. Yeah. What the hell? He's in the movie for, like, 15 total seconds. And he's not mentioned in the sequel at all. What happened? A deacon. I want to know more about that. And I really liked

Matt Sully:   29:53
him as a character. Like when he's taking care of Napoleon and stuff

Chris Sully:   29:55
that dude's hilarious. Like he did a good job. It was He was a good, like there could be a spin off there, but it's not we're talking about. Ah, I made a note. Missy was an interesting ad in, and I'll get two more when I get to my talk about bogus journey. Um, and then I made a big note. I became a doctor who fan a few years ago, got into it, and I never really put two and two together and always watching this again. And I'm like, Holy craft on the phone booth is basically a Tartus. It just doesn't have the space part. Only the time part as far as we know. And so I looked it up, did a little cheating. I guess you might call a little research to find out if there was officially an influence. And I think you made this note for us to discuss an interesting facts later. Ah, but I won't give it all away. But they were going. The directors of the filmmakers were going to use a different time machine. Ah, but decided and changed their mind because it was too much like another time travel film. Then the director, Stephen Herek suggested the phone booth, saying it would provide exciting visual nature of a roller coaster ride. Now, I don't think phone booth when I think that description at all, I think he was either a doctor who fan or someone in his family that lived over in the UK was a doctor who fan, because at that time it was not a big thing in the States at all. Yeah,

Matt Sully:   31:10
when did that serious start? Wouldn't like back in the sixties.

Chris Sully:   31:12
Oh, it was 50 years old five years ago. So 55 years ago, and it didn't really come to the States until they rebooted it with the ninth Doctor about eight or nine years ago. So it was dead to most of the world at the time when this movie came out. So they probably thought we could get away with this and no one in the States will ever even know. Yeah, fast forward. We're putting it together. Ah, And then my final notice. Just Ziggy Pig. Theo. Theo. Thus proving the day Seiki. Biggie. Biggie. Biggie. Biggie, Biggie. I don't know where that whole idea of including Napoleon eating a giant ice cream on and then like pushing the other kids away toe lick the remnants off the table. But I thought that was just brilliant. Ah, and apparently that was a shout out to an actual ice cream shop called for Els. I don't know if they still have that eat the whole ice cream and get it free. I think that would be pretty interesting. Or get even. Get it free. You got some sort of like this one? Yeah. I mean, not worth it for a 79 said button, But okay, now, But all in all, still five stars across the board for me, with Bill and Ted's excellent adventure, even through poor special effects, even through ah, horrible view of what the future could be like. Like there. They got nothing, right? It's just horrible. I mean, we haven't gotten to those years yet, but we're gonna be far different from that by the time we get there. Yeah, I love the movie. I'd happily watch it again and again. Yeah, And bogus journey. I won't go into that one too. Yeah, for bogus journey. Oof! I made it comment about director Peter Hewitt next to his name. I simply put Garfield because of that listening said he made That's all that I could see that was was worth noting. Uh, you know, he had a pretty impossible task to try to follow up the first. Why didn't they go back to Stephen Herek? The guy was busy clearly, but you work around his schedule and you get him back on the project. It would have made a lot of sense notes I made on this one. The sets The sets were over the top crazy cool when they went to hell. Uh, Satan And that giant like robot mechanical mouth that they got drawn into does the rooms that we're like the his living room and stares, reconstructed and like, almost like a Tim Burton esque feel. I did pick. Yeah, really?

Matt Sully:   33:49
I thought Tim Burton

Chris Sully:   33:50
went crazy. I would like to know who set design was. Then I could see it being a Tim Burton would know he was too big a the time. Maybe a rob zombie who did set design for Pee Wee's big herpes playhouse. He was not a huge name at the time. He could have been the guy. Um, I wrote my next note. Missy was a whore. Yeah. Yeah. Well, how dare she? I remember when I asked you to prom, and then the weirdest thing happened. I rarely watch closing credits on a film, but I thought, you know, I might as well right at the beginning of the closing credits. They go through and they show like the visuals with the big names like Chiana and stuff. But then when they get to the actual scroll at the top in a weird Funt is written Taj Mahal. Oh, and then everyone else. Yeah, and so I had to look that up. It was not a shout out to the location. Now, is that supposedly I don't know if this is verified, but there was a musician named Taj Mahal that was in the film. And the theory is that he requested higher booking or higher name recognition than everyone else. And I feel like it was a dig from somebody that was actually doing the closing credits to go. All right, if this dickhead wants to be listed, let's put his name in a different font and make it very confusing to everyone And just put Taj Mahal. I mean, where did that guy go on to do? I haven't heard his name since this movie, and I don't know who he was at the time

Matt Sully:   35:16
that I never knew who he waas. Yeah,

Chris Sully:   35:19
I thought that was crazy. Ah, And then I have an interesting fact for the film. But I saw you have it in your notes for interesting facts When we get there s so I'm gonna leave that off But it a shout out to one of my favorite bands of all time All in old focus Journey. I liked the concept a lot. The highlight was death. Death just owned that movie. I just I love what William Sadler did with the character. I love the comic element. Our comedy element was everything that we love from the first film in one character in the second film Ah, and I when I heard they're making 1/3 1 The one thing I wanted to know is this death return. No spoilers. We'll talk about that when we get there. Ah, but ah, you know, I'll watch this one every once in a while, but I don't need to see it again and again. That's my takeaway. Yeah, I

Matt Sully:   36:13
would actually say that. I think this may only be the second time I've ever seen bogus journey because the first was in F. Um, excellent venture. Obviously I love it. Ah, I mean, I will whole bunch of notes on it, but I I think, Ah, it's there is some nostalgia in that. I mean, when it came out, I would say that it was It was made for us like, ah, guys at our age, buddy and if not existing teenagers, it was wild, funny, mixed with sci fi and fantasy tones That kind of spoke to our imaginations, imaginations. And it was PG. So, you know, our parents could drop us off despite George Carlin. Being in it, which might be part of the reason they didn't promote him, is a huge part of it, cause then parents would be confused and think it was in our movie. Ah, you know, with sex and violence and everything. But this was it was just a couple of idiots Go on a sci fi adventure. Ah, what's wrong with that? And so, uh, that was a big part of where we, you know, talking about what else was coming out at the time. They were all adult movies for adults, and this was, I think, kind of a movie for kids, you know, like, um, they always talk about Star Wars. Was was a movie for kids, and that's arguable. Whatever, but uh I think kind of this was It was supposed to be simple. Um, these guys were innocent, almost wholesome. In a way. They There was some mixture in there, you know, with Missy, especially being, you know, sexual or whatever. But then it really showed anything, and the violence was was not really violent. It was all campy sort of stuff. Um, and and so I think that there it waas. Um it was kind of a basic movie that everybody could enjoy, and kids could watch it. Ah, and it was just a lot of fun. I think Stephen Herek was the right guy to make this movie. Ah, and I go on a little bit like I'm looking at him as a director. I think he's a good director. Like I'm watching this movie from a directing standpoint. I'm like, I like everything. All the choices he made. Yeah, there's some ah, stretching with the the the graphics at the time. You know, the the, uh what can you do? Like, there's only so much that you can push. And I even like some of the stuff it feeds into this whole. You know, our vision of of time and probably like the Internet later on with, like, weird science, where everything's just things that are passing by and some chaotic sort of, you know, a manner on in the future. Like you said, Yeah, it's all there's only so many different futures that everybody sees, and one of them is always just like everybody's in silver jumpsuits or whatever. I don't know why silver is the color of the future, but it seems to be, I guess it's like a ah ah, some sort of not on neutral neutrality amongst everybody where nobody has a color, you know, we don't see color anymore. Everybody's equal and, ah, but you know. But I think I think Stephen Herek did a great job because, ah, I look at his other movies. So he takes Kiani in this movie in dull Tell Mom baby sitters did. Kristina wasn't a big name. She was the middle of married with Children, which was, in its own way, turning television on its head with the Fox network. This is a brand new network. Nobody remembers that we were actually around to see this new network. Come on. And it was, uh, it was raunchy, lowbrow comedy that spoke to teens again. And so I don't think at the time teen voices were is respected as they are now, especially from like a money money generating perspective. Um, but we were starting to have a new impact. Ah ah, at least at the box office. And, um, you know, the TV shows that were coming on and that's where we could ah, sway. Ah, the influence where this is, Who's watching? And we're actually getting some real numbers for this stuff. So I totally see how excellent Adventure became a big thing and demanded sequel even if the sequel sucked. Um, so you know, like anyway, So I think Stephen Eriks Ah, pretty good on this. And ah, and he made good movies of people that were either low tier actors or people that were low stages in their careers. Um, and, uh, that's where I feel. Peter Hewitt, who did bogus journey, fails miserably. He manages somehow to strip the quirky charm from Bill and Ted, where they're being dopey and saying these things. And I picture kind of like, you know, like, uh, Joel and Ethan Coen, their scripts. The specials with raising Arizona where it sees it's these people say these sort of intelligent things, these phrasings and stuff that are so clever. And then when you have them with their terribly like Southern accents or whatever saying these lines, it's even that much funnier. And I think that's that's a huge part of way. Ah, Bill and Ted, uh, make this so good. And then for whatever reason, and it's got to be the director, you have to Everything goes up like he's the last person to be blamed. Like everything. It is your fault. It doesn't matter what else happens. The director is to blame if a movie is no good and ah, because you're supposed to oversee everything and somehow he takes all that charm that was there in the 1st 1 he just squashes it like it's just not there. And, yeah, the story is ridiculous. But so was so was excellent adventure. The story is ridiculous for that. Like, uh, I never would. Who would have guessed anybody throwing money at either of these movies? Um, for me? Yeah. I don't know. If we're doing, we're gonna get ratings every time or whatever, but excellent adventure I'll watch anytime. It's it's got Hye ri watchability. It's still very entertaining. Bogus journey is just a sack of crap. It's just not good. There is William Sadler as death, um is great. He did a great job. I like William Sadler a lot. And he did. He did a lot with that character. I don't really care for the little spoken rap at the end or whatever. That was pretty lame. Um, but, uh, he's great in it. And ah, I really enjoyed the end the rock anthem by kiss like, um uh, God make a rock and roll for you. It's really catchy. I was even singing it today. Uh, and kiss has that ability. They know how to make a rock anthem. Um, but that's pretty much it. That's all the movies got. Ah, and I won't say can you are Alex, you know, at fault here, Like they just didn't. There's just not much to go with. Um, but yeah, there's not really much happening in there, and I do not recommend watching that movie watch. Excellent adventure, but don't worry about bogus journey that's gonna that's gonna fall in line with those those Sequels that we just won't talk about much anymore.

Chris Sully:   43:11
Well, I got a question for you now. We didn't talk about this beforehand, but, ah, when it comes to watching Sequels to a movie or movies, or there are many like I'll bring up fast and furious because that's one of my favorite franchises. I feel like if you're gonna appreciate the current one that's coming out of the theater, you had to have seen the others or else you're not getting the full picture. So for someone who may have existed and never seen either of these two films with 1/3 part coming out, could they effectively watch excellent adventure than go to the movies and be okay with seeing the 3rd 1? Or should they go see the 2nd 1 merely from a information standpoint? Said that there when they go to the film, they're armed with all the story so far

Matt Sully:   43:55
now because I think Bogus journey has no value in this story, either. Like what really changes like So Missy goes and marries some the other guy's dad. Ah, but after that, what they they basically end up? Ah, I guess, really. It's comes down to the ending is that? Yeah. They go through some peril, they come back, they get together with the girls again, eh? So, I mean, they set that right. Ah, the villain has no real importance at all. He's a footnote. The big thing that actually happens where this is the only important part. Ah, that might not even factor into this. 3rd 1 coming out is that they finally get to the point where they become as famous. Is there supposed to be? They finally reach that point where they become Wild Stallion's They finally get good at guitar. They become this band that does we see in the newspaper clippings in the closing. Ah, where they go on this big tour and and even in in before the closing that shows Aah! These different clips from people around the globe celebrating because they're all forced to watch. Ah, there concert. And it unites them finally. So humanity is saved. And so that's the big thing. And I'm not even sure if they're in making this 3rd 1 If they're honoring that as well. But that's it.

Chris Sully:   45:13
What will they read con it, like other directors were doing to other movies in a in a trilogy or franchise.

Matt Sully:   45:20
Yeah, but But But I will say that even then you don't need to see the 2nd 1 because they reference them eventually becoming the saviors of humanity through their music in the 1st 1 So you can go into this 3rd 1 and it could have already happened. And you're like, Oh, great, that happened, and we didn't need to see anything about it. We already knew it was going to happen, So it was an inevitability. So we didn't need this 2nd 1 It's just a misstep. So yeah, you can comfortably skip it. Watch the 1st 1 go see the 3rd 1 I'm guessing that you won't be lost It all.

Chris Sully:   45:53
I pretty much agree with you on. I wasn't trying to set you up to disagree with you, but I pretty much agree with you across the board, except for I think it is important to understand the relationship with death. That's a weird statement to say out loud. Ah, and then also at the very end. And I forgot about this at spoiler alert. If you haven't seen it when they come back after their what they say was like 18 months of intense guitar training with with the with the babes. Um, they have devil a bjorn on their back, and each of them has a son, not a daughter. So just remember that little tidbit for when we get into the conversation about what we know about the third film in the franchise later because I think that's going to come into play or well, they somehow ignore that and just piss us all off because that was shown and then not talked about.

Matt Sully:   46:42
Yeah, I don't know. We'll have to wait and see on that one. But we don't have to wait and see what happens with our own pitches. We have each written our own ideas for what we think this third installment could actually be, or should be or what will you at least would like to see?

Chris Sully:   47:01
Okay, um, I'm not gonna tell you the title of this right off the bat. Well, actually, no. This time I will. I'm normally gonna hold on these. Ah, but since we already know, 1/3 1 is coming and the title has been revealed. I didn't give a separate title, but also before I give my pitch. I did not read the synopsis of the new, and the only thing I know is that the title is Bill and Ted Face the music and I know that their daughters come into play. And I know death return. Sorry. Spoiler alerts. I know all those things, but I didn't read the synopsis. I haven't been paying attention to any of the screen shots or any of the filming because I didn't want to know. I want to go into this one blind for the first trailer. So here is my pitch for Bill and Ted. Face the music. Um, I would if I had to pick a director. I'm going Robert Zemeckis on this. I want someone who knows how to handle the time travel film and knows how to handle comedy. I think you do a wonderful job like he does with almost all of his films. And here is my pitch that I did. I did right out so I could get this right. But I'm gonna read a free now. Ah, for Bill and Ted's third act, I would play off the quirkiness of the first film, but with a little death added. That's what the second film was intended to be. But it's sadly didn't hit the mark the way the first film did. Fast forward to current day were Bill instead of begun to fulfill their destiny, is the rock stars that bring the world peace and prosperity. Their Children, one boy and one girl each have been raised in fame and fortune have no regard for what they're famous fathers had to put in motion or what they're destined to achieve since the families live so close together. The Children, now in their late twenties, have already been in plenty of trouble and are basically never going to leave home threats to send him off to military school. A shout out to the previous two films had little to no effect, and neither Bill or Ted was really gonna follow through on these empty threats. During this time, the time traveling phone booth had been hidden on the estate of Bill's house without their knowledge at all. In fact, Rufus had planted it there and left a note that the boys should have understood but just didn't get what it meant. So they've had it the whole time and they didn't even know. And the daughter's find it while searching for something to steal and sell something they had done quite a few times for their Let's just call him extracurricular activities. They're bad eggs all around without any knowledge of what the phone with was capable of. Because Bill and Ted didn't want them to even worry about this, they hadn't explained it to the kids. Ah, the girl's accidentally time travel to San Dimas 1989. The phone booth is damaged upon their arrival, and they're stuck in 1989. Their first thought being the bad eggs that they are and their fans of true prime podcasts is to track down Ted Bundy, who they both thought looked pretty hot. Ted Bundy is played by Andy Samberg, Huh? I've taken a turn about this already. Bill and Ted find out that their daughters are missing, and at just the right time, another upgraded version of the time traveling phone booth appears to help the boys track down their daughters. It's gotta have been set by someone will think, Rufus, although we can't be in the film, changes have already started to occur. Allah back to the future with the photo. Ah, based on the meddling of their daughters in 1989 and the boys have already pieced together where their daughters went. So they follow them back to 89 in hopes of undoing the mistakes of the girls. During their trip to 1989 they bump into their old friend death. Who was there to take Ted Bundy down to hell. They got there just a little too late. The girls had already visited and using their future knowledge, had freed the psychopath killer. Since Bill and Ted hadn't technically met death yet, they have to spend a good 5 to 10 minutes of the film convincing him that they actually eventually get to know each other really well and prove that he can trust and help them. So, you know, cause 1991 is when they met death 89 ahead. And yet so that we got to go through that whole thing and there's a good stick there, I think, where they've got, you know, convince him. Eventually, Bill and Ted, along with death, tracked down the girl's and Ted Bundy, but not before making some pit stops along the way, running into other famous folk, including a young Anthony key system Flea who were in dire need of some words of encouragement. In 1989 Death takes off with Ted Bundy and Bill and Ted Take the girls back to present day. I got a Post credits scene because that's just tied up a little too neatly for a trilogy in this day and age. Ah, Post credits Scene reveals that Ted Bundy actually beat death in a game of operation and two other games because he has to do best three out of five and returned to Earth, where he went back to his old ways. The girl's having learned from their mistakes and now fully believing that time travel is 100% real. Load up the phone booth again to chase down Ted Bundy. This sets up the possibility of another film or and I'm doing a double pitch here. We know we're getting the trilogy. We're getting 1/3 film, but I think this is prime for a series where the girls are tracking down Ted Bundy, using their knowledge from all the ah serial killer and true crime podcast that they listen to to apply what they learn and tracked down the serial killer. You don't need to have Alex Winter and Chianti Reeves in the series. They could pop in every once in a while for fun. But this just totally is the setup for a series based on the trilogy. You could

Matt Sully:   52:21
very well be right on that, too. Like this is, this is at the point where it is, you know, passing the baton. And And it could be that these their daughters end up going with it and yeah, could be a serious It could be just basically starting the franchise all over again with a whole new excellent adventure. Um, you know, it could go anywhere from there. Yeah, there's some cool stuff in there like Andy Samberg being in there. But I like him a lot. He's a lot of fun. So him as ah, a serial killer would be funny. Um, yeah, that's cool. I think we'll talk problem or, um, about about this sort of general sort of trouble that time travel movies get you in there. There are a lot of fun, but at the same time, it's you know, what are the rules. You know what? You try and establish this. And I was trying to figure that out while I'm watching the 1st 2 because they there is points where Rufus is like what? You have to wait, you know, until it's time. And so they were trying to match it up to where? The years, at least I think in the months and stuff. Basically, there's Here's the future. It's, what, 600 years or something in the future. But it's happening at the same time as this moments in the past. You have toe on Lee do these things these certain moments. But then the rest of the movie has weird things where they can travel in any time, the rest of time. So I don't really get it. Like I didn't understand exactly what the rules were. Um, so, um, I kind of just ignored everything. Ah, as I was writing my own here because I don't know, I don't know because because we learned that back to the future, right, like you change the past, and then it's gonna ripple effect, and I like that. I think that's that's smart and I always thinking about that I think most people think about that with time travel movies. But this didn't seem to the bill. And Ted Siri's didn't seem to be as concerned about how they're gonna mess up the future by changing things in the past. But then they know that the whole point was to send people back to change the past to fix the future. So what is it like that I don't? And it's fine because it is goofy, right? So I think the rules being more guidelines and that rules, this is kind of what they're after.

Chris Sully:   54:37
I I had a similar debate with myself. I was watching those 1st 2 I'm like, Okay, yeah, I don't remember them having to specifically go at a certain time. So wait a minute. Are there rules where there was a section where they explain the rules and then they cut that out when it went to the theater? Can I get the director's cut? Because I want to know what those rules were. Yeah. Yeah, because

Matt Sully:   54:57
it it does change things, because then you you're adding drama to like you say, Well, you have to do it by this time, and then you know. So then there's because that's that's the thing is, as you say, it's a time travel movie. It doesn't matter what you do like so what if I screw it? I'll go back and do it 10,000 more times. Who cares? So, yeah, that that that takes the pressure off. But if you add those rules where you have to do it right this time because there's a small window ah, than that amps up the drama. But it didn't really necessarily seem to fit that.

Chris Sully:   55:29
They even play with that a little bit there, like dude After we win, let's just go back and we'll put the cage and the gun and like, Yeah, it's like, No, that makes no sense. You got to do one before the other bro. All right,

Matt Sully:   55:43
so here's Here's mine. Um, I think we're both, and it seems to be a pattern with us here. Maybe it's just the movies we've been covering, but it is the true sequel. It's the same timeframe and everything, Um, that years years goes off into a serious, but you start with the movie itself, So same sort of thing here. It's been 30 years since Bill S. Preston, Esquire and Ted Theodore Logan went on a most excellent adventure and a very bogus journey where they eventually prevail over evil and actually, having learned to play guitar effectively set right the circuits of time and save humanity. Now, after touring the galaxy three times over two generations of fans across hundreds of years in the future, they've come back to earth to realize their Children are grown. And they're just two aging rock stars who have disappeared within the shadows of their own fame. I like this concept where now a rock tour can actually go across time where they can, you know, on da Yeah, that kind of mentioned to go into like the Mars station in the second after the final concert of the Tour, ending in their hometown of San Dimas, California, Bill and Ted take a long needed break it their favorite bar. We see the pair of the Old West Saloon, where they blend in with the crowd. There's no fans, no autographs, no screaming, just bar fights and cars and whiskey. And they couldn't be happier. It's here where, after fulfilling all their life long dreams, Bill and Ted decide to retire Wild Stallion's Upon their return to the present, however, they discover their sons have disappeared, so we have some similarities there. Bill and Ted's time traveling phone booth was long ago swapped out for a custom ship capable of sending the guys to any place at any time instantly. The trouble is, Bill and Ted have no clue where or win toe look for their kids. As Bill and Ted investigate their son's disappearances, speaking with their ex wives, the princesses and the boys friends, we discover just how distant Bill and Ted have become from their family and how little they know about their Children. Bill and Ted Jr turned out to be just a CZ dopey, as their fathers were at their age, but also the pair hate their dads. Worst of

Chris Sully:   57:39
all, they hate Wild Stallion's. No way. When Bill

Matt Sully:   57:43
and Ted pinpoint the moment puking pinpoint the moment their sons were kidnapped, they sort their abductors who turned out to be actual aliens. And no, it's not gonna be stationed former station from the bogus journey. And that's weird station. Yeah, that was terrible. The aliens informed villain Ted that it's Bill and Ted Jr. Who save their species from annihilation. Bill and Ted Sr tell the aliens they've got the wrong bill and Ted, but the aliens scoff of the old timers, vowing to take the boys back to their planet when the boys disappear again. Bill and Ted restart their investigation only to discover that their sons were kidnapped years before Dad's Bill and Ted go back in time and perform their old time travel trickery to save their boys, only to have them kidnapped at younger and younger ages while rescuing their sons over and over. Bill and Ted visits several moments in their kids live so many important moments they missed while away on tour for so long. At one point in their time shifting rescues. They have a baby kid, teen and adult versions of their kids and the ship all at once, and it's total chaos. Finally, the aliens kidnapped both sons and fathers and take them to the alien homeworld. We find out that this alien race has been at odds with the neighbouring species for years, and they think that music is what will bring them together, just like what happened on Earth with Wild Stallion's Bill S. Preston, Esquire and Ted Theodore Logan let the aliens know they'll put on a final show to help save their planet and their sons. They travel back in time and bring musicians from the past, including their old friends Beethoven and Eddie Van Halen, and put on an incredible concert. It's amazing the greatest show they've ever had, but the concerts of failure. The aliens are still divided, and it's Bill and Ted Jr. Who suggests that it's not just listening to music that brings people together but creating it. Bill and Ted tried jamming with the aliens, but the strange instruments and sounds of the war in species sound awful and even are too harsh to blend in the background of the awesome dual guitars of Wild Stallion's. They're at a loss as to how to fix it. Until Bill and Ted Jr began to play the alien instruments and their father's discover the boys or natural musicians just with a different sound. It's then that Bill and Ted understand what the aliens really need. Instead of a collaborative concert performed alongside humans, they help the aliens bring their own desperate sounds. Together, the two alien species put on their own concert, uniting their separate people, essentially becoming the wild stallion savers of their own part of the universe. Bill and Ted Bond, with their sons and before returning Earth, apologize for being such absent fathers. They promised to do better not just in the future but the past. We in the movie with Bill and Ted going back to the same moments in their son's lives, teaching the music, helping them practice for school performances and, finally, as fans attending a concert of their sons, now famous band, Wild and Free. And that's the name of the movie Bill and Ted. Wild and free. And so it's both sets of Bill and Ted's, its father and sons and all that sort of dramatic, touching stuff. Um, have some notes. Ah, just where in the middle, with all the can't be sort of comedy, rescues stuff. There's probably some gaps and story that I was thinking. Maybe they would be like an alien love interest for the two sons. Um, and they could. They could fight over her until they discover the aliens could make duplicates of themselves, and they both end up with her um, there was also, uh, my wife suggested that maybe one is, ah, one of the sons. One is the son and one of the daughters, Like Bill as a daughter and Ted as a son. And there could be a sort of they spent so much time together. They're not related, But maybe they'll end up together, so but they don't know. But there's, you know, that sort of thing. So it could be kind of fun with that, Um and, ah, I think what I read from the trivia of a bogus journey the the babies now granted they were actors, has papers, but they were both girls. And so the whole playoff of thing, I think what they do then the 3rd 1 is you know, Bailey is like a girl's name or whatever, Theodore or something, you know that. So it doesn't really matter too much as faras. If they're boys or girls, I think it could work either way for me. I just think that, um, there's always a sort of thing with fathers and sons and passing on the legacy and then being actual name Junior. But there's a separation of, you know, they don't truly they They're basically just looking at their son's in a certain way, but never really actually being there. Their fathers, you know. So that's the thing that actually needs to change in the end, where they realize that they're their own people in their own musicians and, uh, being fans of theirs. Essentially, um, I like it. I like the way you went. Ah

Chris Sully:   1:2:18
Maur Universal. It became way bigger than just Earth. I think that's fun. That's a nice element because we did get introduced to Mars in part two in the fact that there were beings there. So why limited to just the two planets?

Matt Sully:   1:2:31
Yeah, because that's what I wanted to do. Was trying to drill it down into the basics is like the 1st 1 covered history. The 2nd 1 covered death really? And then sort of dipped into, um, you know, intergalactic travels. And then I thought the 3rd 1 went out aliens, you know, So we just throw aliens in there, so I thought it would kind of around out all the crazy concepts in there, Girl, Quick. Um, so I would obviously bring Alex and Quiano in for the sons. I was thinking of Daniel Radcliffe is Cheon, whose son, I figured with a healthy trim of the eyebrows. There are some vague similarities there, and I'd like to see him play a dope. You know, um, I think you'd be a lot of fun to see him play just to reel goof. Um,

Chris Sully:   1:3:16
I almost wrote his name down as Ted Bundy. That's crazy. That's crazy. That's funny. Yeah, I've seen

Matt Sully:   1:3:25
it in some other stuff, and I really like him. I think he's actually pretty good. Um, now bear with me on this one. But for Alex's son, I want to try Jack Gleeson, who played Joffrey Baratheon from Game of Thrones. He shares some visual similarities, but this kid needs an acting facelift cause everyone hates him like they hate him. And I'm sure he gets like, punched in the face when he walks in the street. And I think there might be something more to him. And this is his chance to be seen as something other than Joffrey. And I think playing a complete idiot would kind of reset audience perceptions off him. Um, we also, and discussing with Vanessa earlier joke Yuri, which I don't no, too much of him. But I do like him and would have seen him in. And then if we're gonna do ah, girl is one of them. Maybe Chloe Grace Moretz as Bill's ah daughter. Because I could totally see her just being a total idiot and having some fun with that for director. I did consider Robert Zemeckis, but I actually thought that in a way, that's a hindrance of him already handling time travel where we'd be, too, we'd all be mixed up in the same expectations, you know, we'd want we'd see back to the future III, and even if he would didn't intend it, you know, s so I'm actually going been Stiller. I think, um, he's he's Ah, if you remember. I mean, he's he's he's actually got a fairly diverse background with directing, going all the way back. Thio cable guy. And so he's able to handle us like some interesting cinematic looks, comedy and drama talking about dark comedies. I mean, cable guy was not well received, but if you watch it again, it's very funny. And it's very good and everybody and it's really good. But I think he could handle all of the goofy as well as like the drama in there. Okay,

Chris Sully:   1:5:27
yeah, I I could see that, too. He is a He's a good director. I think he's not often looked at, but as a director, But he definitely has been.

Matt Sully:   1:5:34
Yeah, now he's Yeah, I've always enjoyed him as a director. I think he's good and he's in. He usually plays in most of the movies he's in, directs and doubt that, to me seems impossible, like I don't know how you do that, but maybe maybe it's easier for them because they already no, what they want. But I don't know. That seems like it's adding so much more to to the trouble of being a director is already so much to manage. Okay, so we did our pitches. Ah, now we're gonna actually talk about the new movie, the one that's actually been made. Um, this is Bill and Ted face the music, which I really like That title. I think it's a good title. Um, it's set to release in August 21st. Eso not not too far from now. 2020. Ah, and here is and what you mentioned earlier. I think is the only information out there. Um, there is not much, really. I don't think there's a trailer for it, Um, and there's very little information, and they've done interviews on it and stuff in that, and they're just have not said too much about what it's what it's really about. So the only description right now is that once told, the Save the Universe during a time traveling adventure to would be rockers from San Dimas, California find themselves as middle aged dads still trying to crank out a hit song and fulfill their destiny. And that's why I mentioned earlier like, I don't know that they're even honoring the 2nd 1 because it could be argued that even though they were a huge hit, they didn't. They still didn't make the song that saved humanity. But it's pretty strongly implied by that Andy and bogus journey that that's exactly what happened.

Chris Sully:   1:7:17
Yeah, I was between their 18 months of intense guitar training and then all those clips and magazine covers and stuff they show during the closing credits.

Matt Sully:   1:7:27
Yeah, um, so I mean, there's some similarities. Ah, I mean, obviously we're gonna We know their dads so and we talked about. They're gonna be daughters. We know that much. Not sons. Ed Solomon and Chris Matheson, who did write the 1st 2 also wrote the script, which I think is important. I like that for continuity. Um, and you never know whether, you know, I'm sure when they wrote the 1st 1 they didn't have this idea that this is gonna be a trilogy. But when somebody writes something, they have all these concepts that come into their minds the bigger picture sort of stuff that don't make it into the script. And so I think, you know, having these guys, as the writers that can is going to give him an opportunity to bring in those bigger picture sort of ideas. So I think that's a That's a plus. Kion you Alex William Sadler, like, said, we're all gonna be back. Um, so there you go. You got death. He's gonna be back again. Which, uh, I don't know, uh, if it's a minor sort of thing, but if he's there the whole time, I think that joke's gonna get old. I think

Chris Sully:   1:8:36
I don't think he will be.

Matt Sully:   1:8:37
Yeah, I'm hoping it's it's minor. Ah, Amy stock. Ah, how Landon are both backs that's missing and Ted's dad. Ah, in their roles. There's some new folks. Kristen show Samara Weaving is Bill's daughter, thehe and Bridget Lundy. Pain is Ted's daughter, Billie as Samara weaving. I did see in three billboards outside of the Missouri. Ah, and I didn't watch. I didn't watch the whole movie, the baby sitter, but I did see some of it. And from what I saw, I think that's probably McGee's best movie, if not his only good one. Um, uh, is

Chris Sully:   1:9:14
that the horror one on Netflix? Yeah, I thought that was a good movie. Yeah, from what I saw was like, This is kind of fun.

Matt Sully:   1:9:19
It's exactly what it should be. Be stupid for fun. But yeah, she's the I think she's the baby sitter. She's the main one in the bait baby sitter. Um, I have no idea who Bridget Pain is from what I looked upon. Imdb, she's she is an actress, but she's also like a fashion model or something. But probably we're entering into an age bracket here where I'm just gonna not know who anyone is, but they could be the most famous person in the world right now, and I'm just not gonna know. I do know Kristen show. Um, yeah. Ah, everybody knows her. Is Louise Belcher from Bob's burgers? Um, which I didn't even realize until I was looking it up. They got a movie coming out. Ah, Bob's burgers. Movie's gonna be coming out later. Yeah,

Chris Sully:   1:10:05
No kidding. Yeah.

Matt Sully:   1:10:06
So I'm looking forward to that because I love that show. Hilarious. Um, she's and she's just insane, but, um, and yeah, and she's, uh, mostly does voice overs. But she if you remember back on, um, fly the conchords. She was there. One fan she was. And she was fantastic. Like she was just stalking them the entire time. And she was hilarious. That was That was where I

Chris Sully:   1:10:33
was on fox. Last man on earth to You're right.

Matt Sully:   1:10:38
Yeah, and I like that show. That

Chris Sully:   1:10:39
was good in

Matt Sully:   1:10:40
that. Yeah, she was good in them. That was a funny show. Um, there's some other good folks in here. Holland Taylor, Gillian Bell, Beck, Bennett, Anthony Kerrigan. All very funny people. They've opened, Kind of. I mean, bec Bec Bennett's on SNL. Anthony Kerrigan's on Berry. Ah, Gillian Belle's done quite a few different TV things. She does a lot of voiceover stuff as well. Holland Taylor around for a while. Ah, in ah, in all kinds of mostly supporting roles. Ah, but all very funny people. Uh, Dean Parisa is directing this one now. He's done a lot of television, mostly comedies going all the way back to reading Rainbow from 1988. Ah, wow. Yeah. Been around awhile. Ah, he also did get a life, If you remember that one Northern exposure. Is there other television shows from the time period? Um, for movies. He's done home fries in 1998 with Drew Barrymore and Luke Wilson. And you'll like this. It was written by breaking bad. Vince Gilligan. Yeah. So nice note. I never saw that. But now I'm intrigued. Ah, fun with Dick and Jane And 2005 with Jim Carrey, Tae Leonie and Alec Baldwin. I didn't see that one either. For whatever reason, I skipped up. Now I'm kind of interested. Alright, ratings are pretty decent. Um hey, also, Director read two in 2013 with Bruce Willis, Helen Mirren, John Malkovich, which was pretty fun as a good Little Action movie and Galaxy Quest in 1999 with Tim Allen, Sigourney Weaver River and Alec Rickman. And I put that one last because it's an awesome Buffy. I'm a big

Chris Sully:   1:12:18
family. Clearly, if you're looking at resumes on something that aligns Galaxy Quest is perfect. Like I trust the guy who directed Galaxy Quest means doing Bill in Dead movie.

Matt Sully:   1:12:29
Me, too, because I think it there's there's some hard to explain, but I think I think there's some overlap and kind of this can't be drama parodies sort of thing. That is exactly what that movie's about. Exactly what the, uh excellent adventure is. And I think that's what Bill and Ted sort of encompass. And yeah, for that alone, I think, Ah, well, now we could talk about our expectations. What do we think about our ideas? What do we think about the ideas for this movie? I know there's not a lot of detail, but based on that I'm in treatment.

Chris Sully:   1:13:12
I'm definitely worried. I'll definitely see it most likely opening weekend, just because of what Bill and Ted is meant in my life. I mean, that is just one of those cornerstones of film that that will always be there for me. I don't like the idea that they would rent Conaway. What happened to even if it wasn't a great film? I think he got a honor. What got you there? And it seems a shame unless they can explain it away with more time travel, which I hope they don't. I want a good explanation as to why we're looking at two daughters. And if the sun's aren't mentioned it all, I'm gonna be really pissed. Ah, probably still enjoy the film. But ah, I want more than anything. And this is always my argument. So as long as we do this podcast, people hear it over and over again. I just want Moya Maur of this story. I want to see more of those characters that I love. I want to see more of the universe that they're a part of I even if it's crappy. Just to be able to see a little more is almost always satisfying. Exception Anchorman two. That's something all reference a bunch of Well, ah, but it's very rare that I leave completely disappointed. I have a rule that if I paid for the ticket or rented it or whatever. If there were at least one ah ha moment in the film, whether that special effects acting, storytelling, whatever, If I get least that one moment that I'm not upset that I took the time to watch the film and I hope they deliver on that

Matt Sully:   1:14:40
I think so. I think that there are a couple of things like basically lessons to be learned from bogus journey on. I'm hoping they I did learn a few things. One is that I don't want to see a rehash of the same jokes. I don't I don't want him to mention military school again. I don't want him to mention Missy again. Actually, I just I think we can comfortably move on. If those air like one hit thing somewhere in the background, like you're just passing over it, fine. But I just don't want it. And honestly, coming back to them as these characters is incredibly dangerous, because I do think they're waas, a charm that existed in the timeframe of excellent adventure that I don't know that these guys are going to get again. It's incredibly risky, and so, honestly, if they're gonna do this? Well, there he did, but ah, in doing it, I would make Bill and Ted minor characters in a way where we talk about passing the baton where they're in it for the intro, and then we are introduced to their daughters, and then they are basically the bulk of the movie. So we get new characters. Um um, because I don't I don't want to see death again, Actually, like, I loved William Sadler, but I just don't see how he's gonna fit in. I don't want it to be a revisiting of all the things that we remember for the 1st 1 I just want I want something new. And I wouldn't mind if we just saw all the daughters. And I don't care if it's boys versus girls. Whatever. Um, that's fine with me. I don't want it to be the same thing. I don't want to be the same story. I don't want same jokes. I want something new. And another thing that needs to come out of this it where, Like I said, I liked the ending kiss song. Um, but I think what they hoped for and never got to really was that The whole point of this is that, and it is a joke in the 1st 1 But the whole point of this is that they eventually become amazing musicians. So I want amazing music in this movie, and I know that's a hard demand. You write a movie around that sort of stuff. Do you like the script? Writer says, Awesome song here, Whatever. And you hope that it is an awesome song and it probably won't pay. But if they can, I would like this to be a movie, a movie that everybody leaves, singing like three of the songs where they're like Man, that was a great song. When they do, then you have to end with, ah, humanity, saving something like It's gotta be like the best song that's ever been written for a movie

Chris Sully:   1:17:26
you, I don't think you can do. I don't think you can introduce a song that's supposed to be that song. I think you always have to avoid actually playing that song. Well, yeah,

Matt Sully:   1:17:36
because it's impossible, but that's what I

Chris Sully:   1:17:37
want is that's what I want. I want you made some good points there. One of the only things that scares me is the idea that you title a film. Bill and Ted face the music. But Bill and Ted on Lee play a small part in the film as a moviegoer, I'll get it. But I think the majority of the population will be pissed. They'd be like, I paid for a Bill and Ted movie and instead you gave me Billy and whatever her name was, uh, FIA, I think I think they've got to be in a majority of the film, at least 51%

Matt Sully:   1:18:11
well, so for me, I think it's gonna be one of those things where it's Here's what we wrote, and in theory, this should be fine. But when you get on set after you filmed a couple scenes, you have to gauge the chemistry. And if and if Alex Winter and Chiana Reeves don't have it anymore, because we see out Chiana in a whole different light Now Alex will always see the same. He will always be built up. But Quiano is a different man now, like we don't see him is that same character, and I will even say that it will be hard for him to get back into that character and you and express it properly where we believe it. So I think there's a few ways to handle that. One is where immediately we just see them as more mature men, and they're not actually like that anymore. Maybe ever once want to get drunk and they just do stupid shit. But for the most part, they've grown up. And yeah, if they've grown up and you handle that properly where we're not expecting them be total. You know, stoner dopes or whatever. They're supposed to be the California surfer guys. Um, then, yeah, that'll work for me. But if they are, if that's what they're trying to write in it, that's what they're trying to deliver and they don't deliver. Oh, it's gonna be bad.

Chris Sully:   1:19:28
Now it's a valid point. They can't. They can't be the same characters. They had to have evolved or changed in some way. Hopefully a big way. Yeah, I agree. And you're right about the music, too. That's something I was thinking about. Like I mentioned in the 1st 1 How I love the opening song that was really Maur the, um the soundtrack, not music, Not not ah artists, music like we'd listen to on the radio. Ah, and in the 2nd 1 there were a couple of times like primates played. And, um, like you said with kiss. And there was I think there was, ah, faith. No more song because they even referenced faith no more. And but I was like, Oh, you you guys almost got it. Like we need four more songs like that throughout the film, and it would have been epic. Yeah, I remember

Matt Sully:   1:20:13
when it started and because I honestly, like I said, this is probably second time I've seen it. Ah, I didn't remember a lot about the movie. Um, and when the faith, the morgue I came on, I was like, Oh, is this gonna be kind of one of those movies where they've got musicians sprinkled in and we get a little taste of music and stuff because that that wouldn't be too bad. And I'm wondering if that they thought they might go that direction, put them. They just didn't, because it's weird to suggest that here we have thes different entertainers, but then they don't actually, you know, promise played a sidekick. That's I don't know

Chris Sully:   1:20:48
exactly what happened a bit of it. There were a bunch of scheduling conflicts and agents and all that. They got in the way of having really cool, like guns and roses and Metallica and all these different bands who were hot at the time in there.

Matt Sully:   1:21:01
Yeah, I didn't see any of that in the trivia. But here's Here's some of the things that we did find. Ah, the characters of Bill and Ted were created and played by Chris Matheson and Ed Solomon, an improv theater. Originally it was built Head and Bob, although the third character was eventually dropped Matheson and Solomon and describe Bill and Ted is an idealized version of their friendship. Billing Tad equals Chris and Ed. In the original improvised pieces, Ted was described as having a stoner, pseudo intellectual older brother. This was changed for the film, although Bill Stepmother, Missy did make the transition from theater into film.

Chris Sully:   1:21:31
Uh huh, yeah, Pretty interesting. In earlier drafts of the script, Rufus was actually 28 years old and historical Phil figures Bill and Ted, plucked from history, included Sharla Main, whom they referred to his Charlie Men J. Babe Ruth and a non famous medieval person called John the Surf John is actually listed in the credits. What? That's crazy. Like The Octopus and Goonies.

Matt Sully:   1:22:03
That's funny. Yeah. Ah, here's here's what you mentioned, uh, alluded to earlier. Originally the time she was to be a 1969 Chevrolet van. But the idea was next is being too close and concept. The DeLorean used him back to the future trilogy. Yeah, and considering they came out and the 2nd 1 came out in the competing year there, that would have been, uh, people. People would have probably had some words about that.

Chris Sully:   1:22:27
Yeah, no doubt. According to Alex Winter filming in the phone booth was so unpleasant that he and Chiana Reeves nicknamed it the Death box. Yeah, I

Matt Sully:   1:22:36
can't imagine. You know, they do those jokes where you cram a bunch of people in there, and then they actually seem to you, and it's going to be awful. Um oh, the phone booth time machine was given away as a contest prize, but Nintendo Power magazine, which was promoting the video game bill and Ted's excellent adventure

Chris Sully:   1:22:58
Oh my God, who has

Matt Sully:   1:23:00
that? That's what we need to have done its track down. Who got that? Because some

Chris Sully:   1:23:04
that would be awesome, kid. You know

Matt Sully:   1:23:06
what a guy They sold it. Yeah, you're

Chris Sully:   1:23:08
right. It's in a museum somewhere. Some rich person has an interesting side note before we go to the next one. I went to a hidden bar in Los Angeles last year, Year before it was at this really swanky hotel. In order to get into it, you had to go into the alley behind it behind the dumpster. And there's actually a bouncer there, and they would let you in. And then you went down this long hallway and there was a vending machine, like an ancient vending machine. They would open that and that got you into the bar. So bad ass. But in the bar, there was another level. There was a phone booth in the back corner and very dim lighting. But if he looked on top, you could see the antenna from Bill and Ted that made it into the time traveling phone booth. And if you got in and shut the door, another door open behind you that led to a secret karaoke room. No, that's too. It was man ass, man. All throughout the place. They had a VHS, the clam shell cases had the menus inside. Um, there were entire walls of cassettes that had been put up like tiles and then laminated over the place was super cool. But that phone booth in the corner, I wonder how many people just died. It was a phone booth never looked upon top. I I instantly went I was like, Oh, it's the way for Bill dead. I wonder if it's the one that that kid one

Matt Sully:   1:24:25
it could be that calls from seeing my air guitar

Chris Sully:   1:24:31
moving on with fun trivia. For years, Chiana Reeves lamented that his epitaph would be here lives Chiana Reeves. He played Ted.

Matt Sully:   1:24:40
Yeah, mess us. I'm like That's how I always saw him for years, right? So it was hard to

Chris Sully:   1:24:44
get up to

Matt Sully:   1:24:45
see him transfer. Now, now I think the majority of people see him is ah, John Wick or ah, Nio. But they don't They don't even think about him as Ted anymore.

Chris Sully:   1:24:54
Johnny Utah.

Matt Sully:   1:24:55
So I guess he Yeah, so So you moved on pretty well. Um, Joss Ackland, you played the villainous former gym teacher chucked, anomalous and bogus journey wasn't a fan of the film, he later admitted. Only taken on the role because of a bit with a family member.

Chris Sully:   1:25:13
That's a weird thing to do for a bit. But, hey, he got paid. Yeah, I'm assuming he lost the bet. Yeah, you'd think right in an early draft of bogus Journey script, Rufus was the villain. What? I would already have pivoted. I don't know.

Matt Sully:   1:25:29
I'd like to read that. That'd be interesting.

Chris Sully:   1:25:32
Who? You know it's out there somewhere.

Matt Sully:   1:25:33
Yeah. Bogus journey was originally named Bill and Ted. Go to hell. But after fearing the word hell may offend American audiences, the title was changed to something less sacrilegious.

Chris Sully:   1:25:43
Uh, I could see that despite being the biggest band in glam rock history. Face painting obsessives Kiss on. Lee ever scored two UK top 10 hits. The first Crazy Crazy Nights reached number four in 1987 while taken from the bogus journey soundtrack. Their second God gave rock and roll to you peaked at the same position four years later. That's nuts. So I don't think they only

Matt Sully:   1:26:10
I don't know is if they wrote that for the film or just happen to come out in the they did it for the film or not? I don't know.

Chris Sully:   1:26:16
That's a good question. But this was at a time I think we talked about this when we were doing another one of these. Ah, where they would always have a song customised for the movie. Yeah, right. It just was a standard at the time, So maybe

Matt Sully:   1:26:30
yeah, could be I mean, they didn't It's not one of those really lame songs were liked. Worked the word bogus entitled into the Yeah, Yeah, but, uh, yeah, it Ah, it is a good song. I actually really enjoyed it. Originally, the plot was to have Bill and Ted visit and accidentally cause all of history's greatest tragedies. Ah, this is excellent adventure, including the sinking of the Titanic and the crash of the Hindenburg. I kind of like that.

Chris Sully:   1:26:58
I do, too. I wouldn't mind seeing that version of it someday, But maybe if they rebooted it, that could be a concept. The problem

Matt Sully:   1:27:05
is, though, like it's funny to a point. But then you realize how many hundreds of people died at their hands and it's not so funny anymore, So it needs to be true. Ah, tragedies that somehow nobody tied. I don't know if there's any anything like that, but

Chris Sully:   1:27:23
interesting. Ah, principal photography was completed in 1987 for Bill and Ted's excellent venture, but the film's original Financiers Day Laurentis Entertainment Group, went bankrupt. The film was in danger of being dumped on the cable television until Nelson Entertainment bought the rights in 1988 and released it in 1989 God. What would have happened if that had gone straight to cable? It would have never been a thing.

Matt Sully:   1:27:52
Yeah, well, And and I've heard that before, different movies and stuff where movie gets made and then because there's a whole process that people don't really understand. And this is part of what happens that, like the Khan film festivals and stuff where they make a movie, and then they go and shop it around essentially so a bigger production company then basically buys it so that they can promote it and make it a huge success. So the movie's already done, but they may not have a budget for marketing all that stir stuff so they could release it, but it wouldn't be a wide release big blockbuster thing. So then they have to go on from there and that other companies just the whole company's struggling. Um, and, uh and then it's, ah, you know, served in the hands of fate after that, that's

Chris Sully:   1:28:37
what happened. New cabin in the woods, Just Sweden's film got made and set on a show for a couple of years. But Chris Hemsworth rose to fame in those couple of years, and they got a whole new life after that.

Matt Sully:   1:28:49
When I think, wasn't it the crow, uh, had been made. And, um, it ah, it was not gonna come out like basically everybody involved just said, Now, this isn't gonna work, and and they put it away. And it was, um, was his name. Um, Winston, Brandon Lee had more. Um oh, uh, that got it. Ah, that got it. Funding, finally. Already have Ernie Hudson? Yes. So I think, or any Hudson went around, especially after Brandon Lee's death. Ah, and ah was a big advocate saying, you've got to put this movie out. And if you remember, um, it wasn't it wasn't completed. There was these different scenes where you could tell that it was like Brandon Lee's ah, put into the scene, you know, or whatever after the fact, because I think they basically stopped production. It was close to being done. It was like 95% done. And then he died. And it

Chris Sully:   1:29:43
could have been

Matt Sully:   1:29:44
a respect thing where they're like, Well, we just I don't think we should put this out. You know? He died. Drank So But then Ernie's like, No, this How Maur do you honor this kid by putting the movie out That he died make? I mean and it's a great movie, and I'm glad he did it, but amen, sad. But somebody had to be leaving the front on the fight to get that put out. Ah, and it finally in tribute in 2010 the city of San Dimas, California Sandy was high school

Chris Sully:   1:30:15
football rules celebrated her 50

Matt Sully:   1:30:17
years of Inc. The Celebrations slogan was San Dimas, 1962 - 2010 and excellent adventure, that's all. Sad is ready to embrace it. Yeah, that's like, uh, that's what pisses me off about. Ah, Philadelphia taking the rocky statue down like, Ah, they moved it or something. But, you know, famously was up on the steps there at the top, but they moved it to some other location, like sacrilege.

Chris Sully:   1:30:43
It's actually it's still in the same area. It's just down the steps, lower to the ground. I don't know why they would have moved. It doesn't make any sense. To me.

Matt Sully:   1:30:51
That's silly. I want to run up the steps and I want to throw my hands up just like Rocky.

Chris Sully:   1:30:55
I did. It was fun. And then I realized there's a lot of steps there, and even though I was in shape, it's still hurt A little. Yeah, I never I never would have

Matt Sully:   1:31:02
made it to the top like, yeah, they're like a uber or somebody Can Rick show take me to the top or something? And you know how to stand up?

Chris Sully:   1:31:11
It was a week day when we went in. That place was packed because of Rocky. Everybody was up there, and the statue there was a line of, like 60 people long, So you go up and take your photo. And of course we waited because you don't pass that opportunity.

Matt Sully:   1:31:24
All right, so on ah, next podcast, the movie retakes is going to talk about top gun. Because, as you know, Top Gun Maverick, the sequel to the original top gun will be coming out Ah, And this summer and so we've got to go watch it. I've got the need for speed. What about you?

Chris Sully:   1:31:44
E was trying to think of something to say, and all I could think of was excellent. Yeah, well, okay. All

Matt Sully:   1:31:51
right. Well, thanks for listening, everybody, Uh, this is Matt Sully and my big brother Chris Sully....  was waiting for him to do his own

Chris Sully:   1:31:59
way. Are the brothers solely on this has been moving.

Matt Sully:   1:32:05
Thanks a lot for

Chris Sully:   1:32:06
you to get better.