Movie Retakes - Ghostbusters

Brothers Matt and Chris Sully discuss Ghostbusters & Ghostbusters II, then (before they see Ghostbusters: Afterlife) pitch their own Ghostbusters Retake concepts.

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About the Movie Retakes podcast: In the cinematic sea of prequels, sequels, reboots, and re-imaginings, the Movie Retakes podcast considers the merits and desires for Hollywood's new takes on our beloved movie classics. Brothers Matt and Chris Sully examine the latest retake franchises, pitch their own original retake visions, and share their love for the movies that made them.

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Chris Sully:   0:14
In the cinematic sea of prequels, sequels, reboots and re-imaginings. The Movie Retakes Podcast considers the merits and desires for Hollywood's new takes on our beloved movie classics. Brothers Matt and Chris Sully examine the latest Retake franchises, pitch their own original, retake visions and share their love for the movies that made them. 

Matt Sully:   0:00
Welcome to Movie Retakes. This is Matt Sully...

Chris Sully:   0:35
and Big Brother Chris Sully. 

Matt Sully:   0:58
Today's episode is all about Ghostbusters, Ghostbusters 2, And we're gonna cover a little bit of Ghostbusters: Afterlife.

Chris Sully:   1:04
On this week's episode, we've got all kinds of fun stuff coming your way, including: Who's the biggest prick actor of the eighties films? What did Barack Obama say about Harold Ramis? Who's the biggest ambassador for the Ghostbusters franchise? Which Children's television icon was almost the villain in Ghostbusters? Be sure to stay tuned later in the episode. We've got a secret code word for you for a future giveaway, so pay attention and have a pin on standby to write that down.

Matt Sully:   1:34
Wherever you're listening to this right now, go and hit that subscribe button on. If you're not following us over on Twitter, please Do we have a lot of fun over there with our our fans already? That giveaways will probably come through that as well. So please follow wherever you can and subscribe. All right, so we've got a lot in this episode today, but do you want to talk a little bit about what we've been watching? Like to cover stuff that we've been streaming? Essentially. I would say what you watched on television, but who's, you know, there's a television there, but it's basically a monitor for what You're streaming, right?

Chris Sully:   2:05
Yeah. The whole terminology is just hung around like I'll still say to this. They record something. It's really a DVR. There's no tape involved. There hasn't been in a decade or Maura at this point. Yeah. 

Matt Sully:   2:17
So, what do you watch in these days?

Chris Sully:   2:18
You know, I've been staying plenty busy. You got got a lot of free time. I've been doing a lot of running, and I gotta have something in my ear holes while I'm running or else I go nuts and I'll think about it too much. But as far as movies, TV streaming stuff goes Just wrapped up Future Man Season three, which I believe was the finale of the entire Siri's really well done show. Love it. Ah, Westworld. Season three is well underway and ah, boy, what a nice return to form. I think that Season three has been over Season two. Ah, watch the movie guns a Kimbo over the weekend with Harry Potter himself, Daniel Radcliffe. And that one is very interesting premise. If you haven't, I would highly recommend you watch the trailer, especially if you're a friend of like Scottie P. Scott Pilgrim versus the world. I would I think that this might be a pure alley, just a little bit more blood and guts involved. But

Matt Sully:   3:10
yeah, anything I did. Good, right? Style. I like that sort of thing. When handled correctly. It's a little fun.

Chris Sully:   3:15
Yeah, yeah, you'd think it would would drive you nuts with all the jumping around, but somehow they still maintain ah, linear storytelling with that. That's just Ah, I love it. I don't know who directed this gun's a Kimble. I gotta go back. And look, it was not Edgar Wright. I would have known that. But, um, last week, tonight with John Oliver, you got me hooked on that love that no one goes on a 25 minute rant like John Oliver. And I honestly feel like I've got more of an education from him than I did in four years of college tales from the loop on Amazon Prime. I started that, but was very distracted by my phone and realized I was being a bad viewer. So I'm gonna go back and start that over because I hear wonderful things about that. A lot of comparisons to stranger things by the people that say they're enjoying it and then amazing stories. There are 45 episodes out now on Apple Plus TV or Apple TV, plus whatever they're calling that their their service. And, um, the first episode is great. The others were mad. And then I just watched one last night called the Rift That is very good. That reminds me more of the original Amazing Stories program than any of the other episodes. Podcasts. I've been listening to Mark Mayer and W. T. f my brother, my brother and me Those guys crack me up Movie Jungle from our good friend Jungle Bribe. Brian and I was just featured along with my co founder of Nerd Fu. My good buddy Steve on the secondary Heroes podcast. We had a nerd riff union because we hadn't podcast it together for a while. So I'm featured over there this week with him and then games. I love gaming. I've been doing my own streaming on my mixer channel into the name McCracken five, Which is my gamer tag. Not confusing at all when you're trying to find me. But I've been playing a lot of animal crossing that is highly addictive. I couldn't tell you why, but I'm still playing it, and I'm enjoying it. I just downloaded the call of duty. Modern warfare, war zone. Which pro tip absolutely free on Xbox and a believe PC right now s. So I've been playing the hell out of that. I like it. That may get me to buy the entire new modern warfare game and then the ah, the age old tried and true. I can't stop playing it. I play it every day. Thanks to your wife. Candy, Crush someone like a seven or eight year streak at this point of playing candy Crush. That is amazing. Insane is what I'd call it. But somehow I keep going back. I just can't stop. Get sweet tooth. Oh, I see what you did that because our ever. Because candy, I'll see myself out. Um, yeah, I've been

Matt Sully:   5:51
watching WESTWORLD, too, but I keep watching it too late at night. And, honestly, my it's one of those shows that needs your focus. Like you gotta pay attention. Um, yeah, I'm I'm liking it, but I I've been thinking about I'm not sure how much more I want to see the story like, I don't know. I like I'm I'm more interested when they When that first episode was all Aaron Paul, I was more interested in his story when I actually got to the point where ah, what's her face came along like Okay, but I was more interested in what he was up to just by itself, you know, like this idea of other stories going on while she's out trying to take over the world or whatever nonsense. I mean, it's still fun, but Ah, there's some things that I kind of miss about actually being in the park and all that sort of stuff. I don't know where they're going to go and I'll still watch it, and I'm enjoying it and everything, but, yeah, I think I kind of it feels to me like it kind of needs to wrap up. It's not the kind of show that I want to carry on for many more seasons.

Chris Sully:   6:51
Why doubt HBO's gonna let that happen? That one's there. Their mainstay now. Yeah,

Matt Sully:   6:55
yeah, we did re watch and finish breaking bad. Still, just a superb show. If you haven't watched that one, I highly recommend going out and watch that been watching that show happy, which is crazy. It's insane. It's so weird. And 11 same kingdom. It's like this medieval Korean zombie thriller show. Ah, which also sounds crazy, but it's really good that the effects are really good. That's got some nice drama in there, but these and these are the fast zombies. Um, and it's ah, it's a lot of fun. If you're into any zombie show at all, I would actually, um, highly recommend this one. Rewatched riel genius. Ah, the witches of Eastwick, which I never really thought about. George Miller directed anything other than man Max, but he directed Witches of Eastwick and a couple other really good things. I think that one kind of got dismissed a little bit, but you should probably go back and watch that, um, it's it's ah, it's got some pretty good folks in. And I was just looking up. George Miller. What else he directed here. Oh, yeah, really strange stuff. I'm not gonna go on too much, but I just want to mention that this guy directed the Mad Max movies and he also directed Babe Pig in the City and Happy Feet. What? What? You couldn't be on more opposite ends of the spectrum with those that subject matter

Chris Sully:   8:19
How strange I'm. I'm 99% positive to one point decade. 15 years ago, they were bringing him in to make a Justice League movie, and he did a bunch of research and even I think some screen tests and designed some stuff, and then it all fell apart,

Matt Sully:   8:33
huh? What? What he's done is ah is pretty good stuff. And ah, also watch Buffy the Vampire Slayer. The original movie, not the Siri's. Ah, still good. And these air kind offshoots from subject matter real genius. I watch because of Atherton and ah, Buffy vampire watch because of Paul Reubens, because their new hopes I ruined the trivia. Uh, we'll cut that part out. Um, how was the watched? Ah, the fourth kind. Which is not a lot of people, I think saw that. But it's Ah, it's like alien abduction. Sort of, um yeah, movie. They took a bit of a risk there with this whole found footage sort of thing, which I actually think was it didn't work out as well. That would the stuff where they're just the normal fictional Part of it is way better. And I don't think it works as well with the found footage. But anyway, still a very entertaining movie. Watch World War Z Ah, re watch on that one. I love that movie, another zombies, everything and onward, which I'm a big Pixar fan. But that one was a flop for me. I just I can't recommend I didn't really enjoy it. I don't know what what happened there, but if you do are interested in what we have been watching. We're on Ah, letter boxed app. It's L e T T E r B o x d and basically just keeping a diary there or whatever the manlier version of that would be a journal of our of our movie watching experience. And so if you're interested in what we're watching, that'll be on there as well. And ah so called a couple other APS though we keep talking about these movies and shows and stuff, and if you wanna watch along or interested where you could be seen them. Ah, really good dot com ar e e l good dot com and just watch dot com will show you can look and I think add your regional area as well to say, you know, where do I watch Ghostbusters or where I watch Kingdom or Buffy or whatever, and it will show you what's available where you are or where to rent or buy them as well.

Chris Sully:   10:34
Yeah, those those sites are very helpful. A listener been cute us in on that I like I thought I should trust my apple TV and I'll put the button, hold the button down and say, Hey, you know Ghostbusters, and I'll come up and say You can rent it here like hold up, hold the phone. Is it available for free or another service I'm already paying for? And you guys just want to make another quick three bucks off of me. And sure enough, sometimes you can find out that it's on another streaming service you have access to or in the time that we have right now, a bunch of these surfaces like HBO and epics, and there's a couple others are offering free content right now. So you definitely want to do your due diligence before you shell out your hard earned cash. Yeah, so we do have

Matt Sully:   11:17
a special segment today. I'd be remiss if I didn't take some time out to talk about Harold Ramos, since he's no longer with us. Harold Ramos died in 2014 at age 69 as a comedic writer and performer. He started with the second city performers in Chicago, then went on to several National Lampoon's projects, including National Lampoon Radio Hour with Bill Murray and John Belushi, National Lampoon Show with Gilda Radner, Christopher Guest and Joe Flaherty. He was the head writer of SCTV from 76 to 79 he helped write Animal House Meatball Stripes Back to School, Ghostbusters one and two, and Caddyshack, which was his directorial debut. He later directed the first National Lampoon's vacation. Bedazzled Multiplicity, Analyze This and Analyzed at the sequel and Ground Hog Day In 2009 he had planned to make 1/3 Ghostbusters. And whether you blame Dan Ackroyd's crazy script or Bill Murray's non committal attitude for the movie stand still Ah, I'm sure it would have been great. And I wish we'd gotten to see the real Dr Regan Spangler one more time. Upon Ramos's death, President Barack Obama released a statement saying, When we watched his movies from Animal House and Caddyshack, Ghostbusters and Ground Hog Day, we didn't just laugh until it hurt. We questioned authority. We identified with the outsider. We rooted for the underdog, and through it all, we never lost our faith and happy endings.

Chris Sully:   12:42
Wow, that is an amazing resume. And I didn't realize that was all him until you were reading through that. What? It just Ah, just Ah, that is so much of my childhood. Like I grew up on his comedy and Bill Murray's comedy, and I think that shaped the type of humor. Ryan, I like probably you as well be in just three years difference. I think that those that was our childhood. Yeah. And, uh, I love that he was such a big part of that

Matt Sully:   13:10
s o we are covering Ghostbusters on. We're talking about Ghostbusters one and two just to give you a little bit of background. Hopefully you've seen these. Ah, but if not, we're going to give a little bit of detail about that. And then we're gonna just kind of talk about what we think After our re watch our recent rewatch of thumb,

Chris Sully:   13:27
I would say spoilers ahead. But it is 2020. If you have not seen Ghostbusters one into, I think the statue of limitations is far run out on that. Plus, why did you hit play on a podcast titled movie Retakes Dash Ghostbusters like, What's wrong with you? Yeah, if

Matt Sully:   13:45
you haven't seen it by now. I'm sorry, but go watch it. Let's

Chris Sully:   13:50
do a quick recap of the whole movie from start defending house. That'll

Matt Sully:   13:53
start reading from the opening line. What is the opening line to gospel. Um three. Former para psychology professor set up shop as unique ghost removal service. The actors in this or Bill Murray, Dan Ackroyd, Harold Ramos, Ernie Hudson, Sigourney Weaver, Rick Moranis, Annie Potts and William Atherton. He William Atherton Ah, I have here is like the go to prick of the eighties, which is what led me after watching Ghostbusters to go watch real genius because he's a total jerk in that he's like the science professor and kind of their lead over there. They're project eyes. Also in Die Hard Is that a whole reporter that goes after the story goes to their house right? And, like talks to to the kids that are still there about what's happening. And then ah was she punches him at the end. I think of that movie

Chris Sully:   14:44
I was going to say he's really lucky that all she did was punch him and that they didn't pull one of those ah, loose weapons lying around and finish him off. But he shows

Matt Sully:   14:53
up in the 2nd 1 too. Isn't he's like in one of the planes that circle area? Yeah, so we loved We love to hate him so much that we brought him back.

Chris Sully:   15:00
Everything was fine with our system until the power grid was shut off by dickless here they caused an explosion. Is this true? Yes, it's true. This man has no dick really good at being a prick. He

Matt Sully:   15:14
is Ghostbusters, it directed by Ivan Reitman, who also directed Meatballs, Stripes, Twins Kindergarten Cop, which was my wife's favorite movie evolution. And he's gonna be directing the upcoming Triplets, which is the sequel to Twins. Um and uh, yeah, if you haven't seen any of those you need to go watching be honest Meatballs is a bit, um, I don't know. It's all right. It's got a few laughs. It's not. It's not an outstanding film, but it's worth it just for watch, you know, to see that early Bill Murray sort of behavior. He's just a knob. All stripes is a good movie. It's one of the strange ones where it hits like a halfway mark, and it kind of changes the tone of the movie like it's all this training and then they actually go to battle. And it's a bit odd in the end, but also worth watches. It's pretty good. So this came out. Oh, and the writers for Go Supposed to Wear Dan Akroyd and Harold Ramos. This came out in 1984 amid Beverly Hills Cop The Karate Kid Police Academy Footloose Romancing The Stone Star Trek three The Search for Spark. Well, yes, but and splash Ah, uh, that's that was the alternate title Star checked three

Chris Sully:   16:26
where? Yes, but who will you be?

Matt Sully:   16:31
Ghostbusters comes out June 8th 1984 and Gremlins is released the same weekend A man wonder which one we went to go see first Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom was already out in its third week. Ghostbusters beat both of those that weekend and was in the number one spot for seven consecutive weeks. After that, it was in second place for highest gross that year behind Beverly Hills Cop. And really only by like $5 million from a $30 million budget. He earned $295 million worldwide. That's amazing. Good for them. Ah, still still loved. Ah, great rating. Rotten tomatoes. 97% And I couldn't agree more. Ah, well deserved. And when it came out, it was a hit right away to like critics like the audiences liked it. It was, um it was one of these first comedies that had really expensive and elaborate special effects. That wasn't a thing that they tended to spend money on with comedies that they felt like it had. Ah, limited value for audiences were sort of almost throwaway. Ah, humor where you know, we'd make a little bit of money, but they didn't really spend a ton of money on these things. Um, it was one of the only films to create an independent, recognizable icon with the Ghostbuster symbol, the theme song by Ray Parker Jr. Which was a number one hit all that gear the Ecto one. I mean, they're all such recognizable items. If you were to go anywhere in the world right now and show them the Ghostbusters symbol with the you know will not symbols through it And the, you know, the ghost popping out of the everybody would know what that is. It's it's is known as McDonald s, I think

Chris Sully:   18:18
needs no translation, and, ah, one of the like. The only movie that I can think of that is recognizable so easily by a simple icon without the title, you think about other famous like fonts for back to the future. Things like that. It makes sense. But you still it still needs a translation and other languages. The emblem does not. Maybe Batman 89. Batman's one of the only old ones that you could get away with that and you know exactly what it is you're looking at. But even that was established long before the film posters made that for this movie on always. That's very interesting to me that no other film has done that in the same way.

Matt Sully:   18:57
Yeah, it really, really hasn't. I mean, it's Ah, that's impressive. They came up with all this just for the movie, like the stay puff marshmallow man. Ah, they ah ah came up. Well, I mean all this stuff, But of those, the proton packs the concepts of catching ghosts in these devices and storing them in a machine like that. Like who? That's very original. And, uh and it's weird how you you immediately you're comfortable. They introduced the concepts and you're like, OK, yeah, that makes perfect sense here. Like you show just a little bit of how it works, and you're like, Yeah, OK, I agree. Like, I could do this.

Chris Sully:   19:35
I buy it. Yeah, yeah, sure. And it's a great

Matt Sully:   19:39
blend to like, these guys. The their gadgets and stuff are fancy, but there are also these sort of cobble together machinery. Where you you believe that these guys Who What was it? Ah, Dan Ackroyd's character ends up like with 1/3 mortgage on his house just to fund

Chris Sully:   19:58
you this thing, Uh, 20% or something. You didn't even negotiate? Uh, yeah, who

Matt Sully:   20:05
doesn't have a mortgage on their house these days, and, ah, but but they're in, like, jumpsuits and stuff. They get that old beat up car that was like a hearse or something that they converted. And I like that sort of down to earth thing that, like a lot of people can relate to, you know, starting your own business. And this is just kind of where it begins. And then, um then they, you know, hit it big. I get Well, they at least they get a lot. They get a lot of work. They didn't really get Ah, a lot of respect at the end, But you get right so Ghostbusters to five years later. Ah, is the discovery of a massive river of ectoplasm and a resurgence of spectral activity allows the staff of Ghostbusters to revive the business. And so basically, widows are alluding to theirs after Ghostbusters, with the initial sort of, you know, downtown celebration of them Saving, saving the city, at least. Ah, there immediately dismissed as frauds. Pretty much and set to the background. They don't have any more work. The ghost serial gun, and ah, And five years later, what? They're reduced to entertaining that Children's parties, right?

Chris Sully:   21:17
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And and not even really wanted but hired yet. Way, darling. We'll have fun. Yeah, You know, my dad said you guys were full of crap. Well, some people have trouble believing in the paranormal. No, he just says you guys are full of crap. And that's why you went out of business Song. No way. Good. I think this has all the

Matt Sully:   22:18
same folks from the 1st 1 with the matter turns not in it, though. And we get Peter MacNicol ah, instead as the sort of resident weirdo who runs the museum. Or at least is that part of the cleaning service is or whatever this is. Also directed by Ivan Reitman, also written but An Accurate and Harold Ramos. There's a lot of consistency there, and you can tell in the in the cast on dhe the treatment of this. You you feel comfortable in that world when you come in. We've covered the year in movies Back in the Bill and Ted episode just to recap the Batman back to the future to Last Crusade, where the biggest hits of that you're grossing over $300 million worldwide. Ghostbusters two on a $25 million budget hit 215 million in the box office is still quite good, but was not as well received by critics or the audience. And it retains a 53% about tomatoes.

Chris Sully:   23:18
That's a little harsh. I think it is, but ah, you know.

Matt Sully:   23:22
Yeah. So we've We've re watch this. Um, What do you think after re watching them again? Well, you think the 1st 1?

Chris Sully:   23:31
Yeah, definitely. Ah. Ghostbusters to me has never slipped a bit. I remember seeing it as a kid. Um and you know, I think it's interesting to note that when Ghostbusters one and too, for that matter came out that the world was very different when it came to movies. I remember Ghostbusters being on. We saw it somewhere around opening weekend like and I think came out June. And then I'm pretty sure we saw it again. Like six months later at the theatre. It was still on the fact that you said it retained first place for seven weeks. No movie does that now. Even the biggest blockbusters, like in Game a month later are there already at a dollar theater. And then a month after that, you can already buy him on DVD. Blue Ray, whatever you can read him digitally on your apple TV or whatever device it's. Ah, it's very different than you know. You'd wait. It would be out of the theater forever. And then, like a year later, it might come out on video in like, four years later, you might catch it on HBO or Showtime just a very different time. But I I love the original Ghostbusters holds up just exactly how I remember it. I love every second of that movie, Ghostbusters to have watched as much. Ah, but definitely still enjoy it. And I think that 53% pretty harsh to me. It Ah, you know, Ghostbusters one is a 10 Ghostbusters two is like an eight. I don't think it slipped off that bad.

Matt Sully:   24:48
Yeah. No, I I agree. I, uh It had been a little while since I watch Ghostbusters, too. And I know that it was not as good as the 1st 1 but I don't think it's as bad as a 53%. Like, I think it has some value. I do know that in the research here, it did go through a lot of reshoots. Original test audiences where I guess worse than that, just they had a lot of stuff they needed to clean up. There was some questions about audiences. Didn't understand that the the goo could be positively and negatively charged, like they didn't really understand that concept. So when you had the big finale or whatever, they didn't quite get what the heck was going on? They had a whole thing. Ah, where they also just didn't have enough scares. Um, you know, enough. Enough of the spooky stuff. So much of it was about the relationship with Bill Murray and Sigourney Weaver, which it still is. But apparently that just was 90% of the movie on it took up really got too much like they just didn't have enough of the the actual villain and the ghost. And it's a It's a weird thing like the villainous still a little bit off to me because he's essentially stationary stays in the museum. Um, we've got, you know, maybe the closest thing was Janos there, Peter MacNicol goes off. It's sort of a minion of his, but even then he doesn't kidnaps the baby. Um, but that's about it. He's even stays at the museum. There's the There's the goo that runs underneath the city. Ah, that's really reactionary to all the negative vibes. New York Ah, as it often is treated. But anybody does. Movies in New York is its own character, where the people are the ones that that court sort of set the tone. Um, and it's it ends up being, you know, New York is the one who asked to overcome all the negativity, and, you know, the people have to come together and rise to the occasion to to defeat the villain along with the Ghostbusters, and so that's interesting. But at the same time, it kind of creates. Um um, confusion among, you know, who are we really fighting here and whether it's actually happening? I think they could have handled some stuff better. I would have liked to seen a bit more resistance in them getting together after. Ah, the five years hasn't treated them well. And, you know, they're all pretty much they're not all failures. Basically, Egan still doing all right? He's got some research stuff, worries, luck and, uh, married couples in the hot room and the pissed off and giving, giving little girls puppies and stuffed thio check in on that ties into the whole emotional thing of the story. But anyway, overall, still worth a watch. If you're gonna watch these and we don't really talk about the Ghostbusters, answer the call. The 16 2001 because the Ghostbusters, after life, when we get to that ah doesn't consider it part of the cannon, I guess. Where it This is supposed to be a sequel to, um, pick up basically after Ghostbusters too. So we're gonna go 12 and then after life s so We're not really? Yeah. Cover that

Chris Sully:   28:11
as God intended. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, well, I did. Look, it gets that too. Like the Ghostbusters answer. The call

Matt Sully:   28:19
has 74% on rotten tomatoes, Which

Chris Sully:   28:23
come on is a bold faced lie. Yeah. Come coming. Yeah. No. Yeah. Couple like four people in their basement reviewed that. That's why. Wait. The math doesn't add up on that, like eight people. Um, so, yeah, I made some notes. When I go through and watch the films I really like phone down full focus. I'm looking not only for another fun interaction with these films when we do a review and do the podcast, but I'm looking at details I maybe didn't focus on before, and I'll pick up my phone from time to time to make a quick note. So my mind is here kind of bulleted out through the two films, but I picked up on some interesting things. Ghostbusters one. The practical effects or top notch. They definitely integrated some technology, some some special effects with the with their proton packs with the ghosts, but the way they use the library books on the cards and the opening scenes, Dana is chair sliding into the kitchen in her apartment. Aah! The eggs popping out of the of the egg carton and then cooking on the counter. I loved all that, and I think anytime practical effects can be used, I am more of a fan. I think it looked fantastic. And then, of course, they had to do something with the ghost that could not show them. So there are a few times where the movie shows its age. Ah, but still perfectly fine without near not nearly as bad as some other films that every watched, um, interesting note here. Dana and everyone else in New York seems seem to just jaywalk all the time. I've been to New York several times and people don't walk like this. Maybe they didn't eighties. I didn't go in the eighties, but like her opening scene, she straight up J walks in front of a car, almost gets hit and doesn't even recognize that it's happening. She gotta glances at the car like we could have lost her really early on in the film that women are kind of fruitless. Yeah, they just kill her off and she becomes a ghost. I guess it would be the only way that would work. She's as you referenced earlier. The stay puff marshmallow man. Ah is a big part of the film. And I did not realize until one of these most recent viewings that he appears earlier in the film. In that scene where the eggs pop out of the container and cook on the counter, you can actually see a stay puff marshmallow bag on the counter, which ah, I didn't question This is a kid. But was our stay puff marshmallows? Riel. Were they real in the eighties? God, I don't

Matt Sully:   30:46
think so. I think it was made up just for the movie.

Chris Sully:   30:49
Interesting. But I bet now you can buy him somewhere whether or not they're a collectible or they're a real thing. I don't know should look that up. Um, what is that siren noise for ecto? One come from my That is a very iconic sound, but not one that I recall hearing anywhere else I may be in British films or something. Is it like an ambulance in Britain? Yeah,

Matt Sully:   31:12
I think that probably is. It's It's like it

Chris Sully:   31:13
is. It's

Matt Sully:   31:14
like a British ambulance or police siren or something.

Chris Sully:   31:17
Got to be really weird for Ah, Ghostbusters fan over there. Meanwhile, our heroes roll around in a repurposed hearse. Interesting choice. They were bawling on a budget. I get it. So yeah, it looks good. God, the Slimer seen everyone knows the first introduction of Slimer. Come in, Ray. I thought I saw it. I saw it. It's right here. It's looking at me. He's an ugly little spot, isn't he? I think he can hear you, right. Don't move. It don't hurt. That's great. Actual physical contact. Can you move rewatch that its iconic Nothing has changed. It's amazing. But what I did notice on this go around is when the when the team turns and fires their pro town proton packs and just demolish that cleaning cart. The poor little old lady that's cleaning the hotel is now I'm looking in the background. She is focused on a flaming royal roll of tp trying to put it out with some sort of cleaning solution. And I was laughing my butt off it that, like I never noticed her back there before trying to put out the fire here.

Matt Sully:   32:48
Yeah, it's weird how many times you can watch these movies because, you know, I must have seen that, like, 15 20 times or something before And those little details that somehow you just missed every other time. Ah, you mentioned the stay puffed on the in the bag. He's also shows up in ah, billboard at some point, an earlier scene. So I mean, they were trying to clue us into the existence of him in that world Early on, it's pretty clever.

Chris Sully:   33:14
Did not catch the billboard. I got to go back and look for that Good catch. Ah, there were some cameos by Casey Case, um, who I grew up listening to on the radio on the weekends. He already always had the big countdown of the most popular songs in the in the U. S. And Larry King. Ah yung er er Larry King Because he's like, 400 years old. So, you know, this wasn't that much younger, but he definitely looked a lot of

Matt Sully:   33:38
things before they had to, like duct tape him to a broom handle on Hold him up with six strings and stuff. Pressure pump. Pretty sure this point

Chris Sully:   33:46
is shirt and tie or stiff, and he just kind of oozes into it. Yeah. Ah, some iconic lines and one of my favorites that I still wonder to this day if it was a paid placement or something, Ad libbed was, Ah, when's ETIMOR? Says that's a big Twinkie. You mean the big Well, let's say this Twinkie represents the normal amount of psychokinetic energy in the New York area. According to this morning's sample, it would be a Twinkie 35 feet long, weighing approximately £600. That's a big Twinkie. Just that whole scene cracks me up. Ah, so iconic.

Matt Sully:   34:26
Yeah, now that that's true and that there's plenty more one liners in the 1st 1 on a ton of that was ad lib stuff. The 2nd 1 doesn't have quite as many, but it's still pretty funny. And I think I think Peter MacNicol does a great job there. It's good to have, um, Rick Moranis, Bacchus Tully. Aah! Annie Potts is good, and it's the supporting characters from the 1st 1 especially that are so solid, like you get a really good idea of who they are and their lines make sense and stuff and and yeah, they're very funny on their own, and then, especially when they interact with the main guys there than it's it's that much better.

Chris Sully:   35:08
That's a perfect segue way. And in my next bulleted item from Ghostbusters one. And that is Louis Tully in the ongoing gag of him walking himself out of his apartment. I love that in the few seconds we have with him prior to him. But being ah repurposed, Yeah, as a hellhound, uh, you get to know you get a sense of who he is. I love the ongoing gag. I love the party that he hosts or we see him a little bit. I was just exercising. I taped 20 minute workout of my machine and played it back at high speed. So it only took 10 minutes. I got a great workout. His part at the

Matt Sully:   35:41
Great. His part in the 2nd 1 was actually bigger. They had an ongoing thing. We're Slimer kept coming in and eating his food or something. Like Slimer. Maria Slimer hung out at the fire station Maurine in the 2nd 1 on and bull because there's a whole thing where basically the real Ghostbusters cartoon that was going on from 86 1986. During this time, Ah was so successful that the they when they're making this movie, they wanted to cater to the kids that were watching that cartoon. And so they wanted to feature Slimer more. Ah, and so they had an ongoing thing. We're basically it was a rivalry or whatever between Tolley and Slimer and basically building up Tully's character to finally have the showdown with with Slimer. And then where? At the end, you know, he's the one who he feels like he's cracked the shell of the of the goo that's all over the the museum s O. That was kind of ah ah more ramped up side story that they chopped off the cut They cut away, um, from the actual final cut

Chris Sully:   36:54
till he needed a spinoff film. That was not a thing at the time, really. It would have been interesting to see some development. That would be awesome. Ghostbusters Tully tell Tell Ian Slimer the award winning team if he could Ah, you another classic line from Tully. Okay. Who brought the dog? Yeah, Dude, that's not a dog house to party, have you? You've been to a zoo, right? There's no animal on this planet that looks quite like that thing. What is wrong with you? And then one of the I keep saying the word iconic, but this film is from start to finish his iconic as it gets. I mean, this is gonna go down as one of the top 10 films in my life. Easily, forever is that montage. There's that montage, right When the containment unit is shut off by Supreme Dick, uh, that the music, the special effects of the lights blasting into the sky, the the montage of the different ghosts that we get to see throughout the city in the way that people are seeing them for the first time in interacting with them and just all that. That is something you cannot look away from when it's on the screen. It is just so, so good. Yeah, I love that part

Matt Sully:   38:06
and write that the effects and everything, for the most part still holed up and are still very effective. And, ah, and and not only are they very good because most of them were practical, real world effects, they weren't CG or anything. Uh, but there's a difference between that First film and the 2nd 1 in In the treatment of the ghosts and the movie itself, where the 1st 1 there's some moments of of genuine fear, like it is. It is Ah, menacing. It is Ah is very upsetting, like you're watching this and you feel what they want you to feel where this is like into the world. Uh, terribly devastating stuff that's happening

Chris Sully:   38:52
where you believe, Mr Parker, my name is pink. Or you could accept the fact that this city is headed for a disaster of biblical proportion. What do you mean, Biblical? What he means is Old Testament Mayor Riel, Wrath of God type stuff. Fire and brimstone coming down from the sky, rivers and seas boiling. 40 years of darkness. Earthquakes, volcano, the dead rising from agree human sacrifice dogs and cats living together mass hysteria. Enough. I get the point

Matt Sully:   39:19
and they're even. Like I said, you know, Ernie Hudson is referencing like the biblical passages and stuff with Dan Ackroyd and the car where you know the moon became sackcloth or whatever. I can't I can't quote it, But anyway, uh and ah, it does. It is genuinely frightening. And then the 2nd 1 doesn't have that same feel like I never feel, like were genuinely in danger or the people are genuinely in danger.

Chris Sully:   39:50
Now it felt, um Well, how do you How do you not Candy coated? It felt kind of padded. Kind of dumbed down a little bit, not as raw.

Matt Sully:   40:00
Yeah. If anything, it should have gone the other direction. That should have ramped it up. And the 2nd 1 should have been an even scarier than the 1st 1 I think. But that's not for sure. That's like Wells time with the catering to the kids were watching the cartoon that they have the exact opposite route on purpose. Well, we

Chris Sully:   40:16
can see by the box office that maybe that wasn't Thea wasn't the right choice. Yeah, and then I forgot about this until I'm watching alone. But when the guys get sent to prison and they're going over their plan on the map and all the other guys will in jail in that prison in jail, the other guys are like getting in like watching. He's like you getting all this. Yeah, I love that scene. Reginald Vel Johnson, the most famous movie policemen of all time probably appears. And if you don't remember, Reginald Vel Johnson is the guy who ended up playing the cop and die hard again. A reference to a Twinkie. Interesting that together. Ah, but Reginald Vel Johnson. I had to look this up. I've wondered this for many, many years. Uh, that was the first time that he portrayed a cop in a film. He went on to play Cop and Die Hard is already referenced Turner and Hooch. The TV show Family matters perfect Strangers and Maur Ah found an article on U. S. News that says to date he has now played a cop eight times in movies and television shows. And I'd be willing to bet we haven't seen the last of that gag in Reginald Bill Johnson's life. So that number's probably gonna go. He needs

Matt Sully:   41:23
to do one more where there's also mention of Twinkies. So that would be like the Cornetto trilogy. This will be the Twinkie trilogy, and then we'd have it all put together. So please do they love it If you're listening, Somebody hire this man and give him a Twinkie.

Chris Sully:   41:39
I ever make a film. I'm gonna hire Reginald Vel Johnson to come in for a cameo as a police officer somewhere in. And if I make multiple, he'll be in every one of them. I think that would just just in the background, like in a window, eating a Twinkie or like leaning out a window or, you know, in a crowd, whatever. And

Matt Sully:   41:56
if you and if you watch that the movies that made us episode that handles Ghostbusters that man is just a sweetheart like it focuses on him quite a bit. Because he was he was about to give up acting, um, and die hard. He got the job and die hard. And yeah, I was just so thrilled. I want his mom to see it. Or someone. Did she get to order that she she died or something before that, didn't she?

Chris Sully:   42:21
Yeah. I can tell you exactly how that story went down, but something was saying It's like, Yeah, yeah, yeah. He seems like a sweetheart picture. I'd like to meet him. I'm surprised to have not seen his name at any of the ah conferences. The comic cons that I go to ah didn't mention it before, but But talking about Winston's ETimor played by Ernie Hudson. Ernie Hudson is at a lot of the conventions and has been for years. As long as I've been going, I started going in 2012 2013. I've seen him at many. I've never I've never sadly gone in his line of gotten an autograph for a photo. I should do that because we don't know how long we'll have these guys. Ah, but he is always very, very Ah, guess appreciative of his fame from the film. And he always they put his table near an ecto one that somebody's, you know, decked out an old hearse to look like it. He signs a lot of autographs. Pose is in a lot of photos, and anyone I've talked to his madam has said he is indeed a sweetheart. Do you believe in UFOs? Astral projections, mental telepathy, E s P clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster and the theory of Atlantis. Uh, if there's a steady paycheck in it, I'll believe anything you say you

Matt Sully:   43:39
could tell with some people. You just You see them and you're like, Yeah, he's a nice, nice guy, you know?

Chris Sully:   43:44
Yeah. Yeah, I think he probably since he's the only one that regularly does the cons from that cast, I feel like he's got to be probably the best ambassador for the diehard franchise out of all those guys. I mean, the rest will do the big celebrity TV interviews and podcasts or whatever, but I feel like he's putting boots to the ground with the real fans. You know, the Ghostbusters. He's a dire day. I know. What you looked up on my screen. Did you not know he was in dialogue? He should have been. Should have been a lot more great. Like he could have been the third Johnson, you two brothers. Ah, And then finally, from the first Ghostbusters, the classic line Are you a god? If anybody asks if you're a god, you say yes. So good rule

Matt Sully:   44:37
of thumb listeners. Anybody ever ask you that? Yes. You are God

Chris Sully:   44:40
s O Ghostbusters to I feel like right off the get go. They were really trying hard to establish that that some time had passed because they slap us in the face with a big, bold print five years later. I mean, there was no debate. We were in 1989 at this point. Yeah, well,

Matt Sully:   44:57
and it was actually five years later in real life. So it didn't really make Guineas like, Why did we need that? I don't know. We could have figured it

Chris Sully:   45:03
out. I knew that we'd be dissecting this years later, and it would be an important note. That's what it was. They were getting ready for the movie retakes Podcast. There's a reference early on to Star Man, another great SciFi movie. Definitely not a comedy from 1984 starring Ah, the the Immortal, the Amazing Jeff Bridges and Karen Allen and I did not know this, Mr Mann. Directed by John Carpenter. I found that out when I was doing my research. I had no clue. Yeah, he's great. Interest of junk are good movie, Maybe a hint to a future movie retakes episode because Star Man could have some legs these days. Some interesting things going on. That's true. Meanwhile, another great quote from Ghostbusters two from the man himself. E gone. We had part of a slinky, but it's straightened it,

Matt Sully:   45:52
and I love that. It's just part of one, like what happened to the rest of it where he was using it for something.

Chris Sully:   45:58
Yes, well, it he had no toys. Where to get this one That he, like, dig it up somewhere today over the kid, Like, throw it out by the curb because it was trash and he picked it up. How much work does it take this straight in? A slinky. Ah, going on to Ah, the Parkview Hospital scene where the guys are, Ah, put under psychiatric care against their will by again, somebody being a being a dick. Brian Doyle Murray. It was a character in that he played the doctor for that facility. And he and Bill Murray, which turns out our brothers. I did not know this. I felt stupid. Once I finally learned this because Doyle Murray hyphenated. Maybe they're half brothers. I don't know. I didn't go down the rabbit hole that far with the names. But Brian Doyle Murray, who you'll recognize as Mr Shirley from Christmas vacation. If you call yourself a movie fan, you know that reference? He was also together with Brother Bill in ground Hog Day, Caddyshack and the amazing Scrooged. Just ah, what? Ah man. What? A series of films those two had together. But did they have many parts together? Not many. And in Scrooge is that I

Matt Sully:   47:10
think that's his actual brother. The guy who plays his brother.

Chris Sully:   47:13
Oh, yeah, that's the

Matt Sully:   47:15
younger one. So, Brian, see the older one? Ah, and then the younger one. I'm looking it up. I mean, I'm That's okay. Thinking deeply, I will have it soon.

Chris Sully:   47:29
We have a lot of movie knowledge, but occasionally we got we find new things. We've got to Ah, research on the fly. And this Is this a good one?

Matt Sully:   47:35
John Murray. Yeah, there is. Yes. So the other brother? Yes. Oh, they got Why don't they have a photo of him? Yes. So the guy who plays Bill Murray's brother, you can picture him, right? Like, yeah, yeah. Total. Ah is his actual brother in real life. So I guess I wonder if that's the only film. All three of Marie and I think that he only has two brothers. I'm not sure if there's 1/4

Chris Sully:   47:57
one. Those three do not look anything like one of the threat. All Yeah, that is strange. Brother from another mother. Yeah, well, I don't want to talk about about their mother, but it might be so. Mrs. Murray is a lovely woman, Mrs Mrs Murray. Ah, moving on through Ghostbusters to again a couple of cool cameos that were in there that I think you were shouting out. Cheech Marin has, like, one line at the docks about the Titanic and Ben Stein, who we all know as the teacher from Ferris Bueller's Day Off and eventually the game show Ben Stein's money had a quick appearance in the film. I don't no even spoke. I think that you're just handing out papers at a desk out

Matt Sully:   48:41
of winter feet of line. Teach only had the one line about the Titanic coming in very late than never or something which apparently ah, was given as a line to Bill Murray and the trailer. So they actually change something up there. And really, I don't know why they gave it to

Chris Sully:   48:56
changes things. What is it you're all along or something? Yeah. I mean, but you waste their abilities. They're both hilarious guys, and they get one line or no lines. Really weird. Maybe we just cut down from an original lengthier take. Uh and then I had to ask myself this one. This is a really weird thing to point out, I noticed that their uniforms were upgraded in Ghostbusters two and again. I'm watching it for the Oh no, fifth time at least, and you look on their Ah, patch is updated as well. Instead of just the ghostbuster. It's now the emblem from Ghostbusters two or the Ghostbusters holding out two fingers, and I really had to wonder, like Why? Why? Why did they upgrade that patch for to do or they business a. A shout out to the fact they knew they were in a movie. It didn't seem that way.

Matt Sully:   49:46
It is a bit odd. It could be that it's also not just the number two, but just kind of throwing the peace symbol like you do for photos back then. This was like before sticking her tongue out or the sideways piece or whatever,

Chris Sully:   49:59
but, ah, maybe, ah, somethingto lighten up their brand a little bit is ah, because they weren't needed or in the limelight anymore. They had been frowned upon by the city and many people.

Matt Sully:   50:13
I mean, the whole The whole concept of the movie right is to take a city that is, you know, enveloped in this negative attitude and bring peace to it. So they all get along. So I mean, I'm probably reaching there, but could be something like that. And they had maybe,

Chris Sully:   50:29
on some level, they went recognized The ah, the negative attitude of the city.

Matt Sully:   50:34
Yeah. Uh, yeah, the the uniforms. I know that they they want to do an overhaul that made him darker. And if you notice Yep, they're only darker in some of the movie. Like, halfway through our earlier on, Reitman decided. Yeah, I actually don't like that. And and then he just switched back to the old uniforms without really a talking about it, which you don't need to. Weird. Just have alternate uniforms like people would. Yeah, yeah, away in home, I think the original Ecto one was supposed to be black as well to look cool. But then they had all those night shots and it wouldn't show up. So they painted it. White said

Chris Sully:   51:12
that it's not unprecedented, even this day and age. If you watch in game towards the end. Ah, war machine comes out with a completely different Harmer. And there's no reference to him ever getting a different armor. An upgrade, like clearly that was probably something was cut out of the film. Or, of course, the famous reference to The Octopus and Goonies. I will probably reference that in every episode we ever record because it just stands out to me. I remember reading an article about that as a kid and being just blown away that we didn't get to see the octuplets, you know? Yeah, but I don't

Matt Sully:   51:42
know. I mean, it may not have been cut. I mean, I don't I don't feel like we always need to be spoon fit everything. I mean, I like when there's stuff like that where it's yeah, cause and a new audience isn't gonna question everything. We're gonna be upset by everything that the guy comes up in the uniforms like, all right, I don't know the origin story of this uniform or who put it together, but he's got no you for cool. Whatever. Let's move on. Let's get to the meeting.

Chris Sully:   52:06
Similar to the 50 1st storm troopers or 50 1st Star Wars fans that the do cosplay around the country, there are similar groups that do Ghostbusters cosplay, and they do screen accurate uniforms and proton packs and stuff like that to the tune of thousands of dollars to get a Proton pack built. But I bet there is an entire Wikipedia page website dedicated to those uniforms and exactly what they mean, and they probably have a 1,000,000 questions. Be interesting. Have somebody explain that. But we don't have time for

Matt Sully:   52:41
that today. Yeah, nobody got time for that

Chris Sully:   52:43
exactly. And then finally, in my notes from Ghostbusters to I had to point this out. As a child of the seventies and eighties, gaming has always been very important to me. And one of the first game systems that we had as kids after the Atari was, of course, the Nintendo entertainment system, the NTS or, as our grandparents called it, the Intend O. I still don't understand to this day why they called it the Intend. Oh, but they at the end of Ghostbusters to when they go to control the Statue of Liberty, they break out the NDS advantage controller, which I think we had at one point when we were kids. I always looked up to that thing. I thought that was so cool because it was like having your own arcade at home to be able to play games on if we didn't have somebody we knew did. I'm sure that I did get to play on it quite a bit. Um, I thought it was interesting in doing my research. Not only did it appear in the film, I wanted to see if there was any history or background as to why I think this might have just been another marketing ploy by, you know, maybe a co lab with Nintendo. But the NTS Advantage controller also appeared in later comic books for Ghostbusters. Several issues. I guess they take the controller at the end of two and put it back on the shelf and then repurposed it for other things throughout the history of what is by many considered still cannon and the Ghostbusters universe those comic books. So I thought that was really cool.

Matt Sully:   54:00
This is an ongoing device that they can use for multiple different things,

Chris Sully:   54:05
plus how fun to tie it back in for your real fans, to see if they catch and go all. That's the thing they used to control. Yeah, that's cool. Liberty That pretty need. Yeah,

Matt Sully:   54:14
like there. What is it? The thing they have on Ah Tully's head in the 1st 1 It's just like a

Chris Sully:   54:21
call. And we'll yeah,

Matt Sully:   54:22
with the wires coming out of it. And, you know, it shows that he's like the dog in the background on the on the monitor. Whatever. So cool. That's great. Yeah, I

Chris Sully:   54:30
saw somebody cosplay that at a show one time and nail it. It was perfect. It was one of my favorite cost place I've ever seen is great. So good

Matt Sully:   54:38
arse abort before we Ah, move on to talk about the upcoming Ah, Ghostbusters. After life, we're going to give our original pitches about what we would like to see. Ah Ghostbusters movie being now

Chris Sully:   54:54
Absolutely. Before we get to that, though I do have a spot here for the secret code Orn that'll be used for a future Give away. I think we came up with that covert. Remember what it was we said?

Matt Sully:   55:04
I did. It's ***redacted***. You'll have to spell it.

Chris Sully:   55:08
So jot that down. Keep that somewhere may not come into play today or this week, but eventually we'd like to do a giveaway, And we you will be rewarded for having that info on hands. Yeah, type

Matt Sully:   55:29
something with your hair. You're gonna pay for this stuff. Just quit staring at me with a bug eyes.

Chris Sully:   55:34
Janine. Sorry. Aboutthe types up. What's so good, baby? Because she just said they're doing, like, a word. A cross order some. It looks at him over the glasses. All

Matt Sully:   55:49
right, so, um, I think you've been going first on pitches. Aah! Last couple times. So I'm gonna go and, ah, despite what I just said, uh, this is actually not gonna be a movie. I'm breaking the mold a little bit here. So rather than doing a, um, a true sequel which most of ours have been up to this point. Ah, I'm going to sidestep and make this a television series. I'm also going to take it even farther where this is a really a world in quotes television series where Ghostbusters exists in the movies, as we already know, it s so that's pretty much the tie. And there's gonna be some stuff in in how they handle the crew and the gadgets and stuff so little that will be similar to how it's handled in the movies that we know. But that's about it. Everything else is gonna be original. And the concept here. I want to be kind of what I said earlier, where I think Ghostbusters to ship in a ramp up in the scare factor. I want to do that as well. So this television series is going to be Ah ah, equal parts scare and comedy. So there's still a ton of ton of jokes, but it's gonna be quite frightening. And the effects I want to be something that it's not safe for kids. This is gonna be an adult show. All right, so the concept Ah, that goes behind this. Is that ghosts? Ah, as they're viewed now there's there's two sides. There's believers and non believers. But the concern over the ghosts existence Ah is not really anything threatening, you know it doesn't really matter if they exist or not. That is, until a ghost not only clearly appears on Dax Higgins paranormal investigation show, but kidnaps one of his crew on camera. She is clawed at beaten and drag screaming into the darkness. Dax, played by Channing Tatum, the tough guy ghost hunter who challenges and berate spirits and demons to force their attention, has spent years investigating the paranormal on his moderately popular television show but has found little actual evidence to prove his paranormal insinuations and theories. After the horrific episode where his colleague is taken, however, the world is focused on the disappearance of his crew. And even with Doubters shouting fraud, new ghost encounters are popping up all over Dax with the help of his co host, Darryl Dancer, a hapless fool who gets continually volunteered for the worst and scariest assignments played by Jonah Hill, are excited at the surgeon ratings for their show but freaked out by the event, acknowledging that they're in way over their heads. Luckily, an eccentric scientist who inventions dip into the realms of death and demons, sees the program and contacts the boys. The scientists, Curtis Pine, played by Laurence Fishburne, is even scarier than the ghosts, often shouting into the dark, wielding a weapon that looks like an old wizard staff shored up with tiny electric gadgets. The three get a tip that ago, similar to the one from their previous episode, was seen several times in a Honda old bar in Kentucky, and they set off to investigate at the bar. They encounter paranormal mayhem there, chased by ghosts, attacked by demons and appeared Ah, far out of their element until the crazy scientist Curtis comes back from his van with a string of hula hoops wrapped in wire and more small gadgets, he sets up what becomes a ghost trap on. The tide appears to be turning in their favor until they see their kidnapped colleague riding in the hula trap. Dax and Darryl attempt to extract her, but Curtis screams to let her go. Dax, in his macho overkill style, pulls the hoops apart, breaking the ghost trap as the device shoots death rattle sparks. The guys are shocked to see that their colleague has emerged so clearly she has been altered by the experience. Sarah Tyler, played by Olivia Munn, is scarred, covered in ectoplasm, and her eyes pulse with swirling light. The ghosts are gone, with some alerts from Curtis Strange staff. He informs them all that the ghosts are trapped inside Sarah. She tells them that something is happening in the paranormal realm and the dead are escaping, fleeing in fact, from some evil that is no longer content to torture the dead. While many of the ghosts are harmless, some of them need to be sent back to hell, along with whatever else is breaching the boundaries between Earth and the afterlife before decide to be partners not just in documenting the paranormal phenomenon sweeping the planet, but in doing their part to protect the living from what seeks to threaten them. And so, for the series, we're gonna get a lot more about Curtis and his past. A lot more crazy gadgets. I wanted to kind of ah ah set the tone early on with him, especially that this is kind of ah ah, fantasy thing. We're all kinds of you never know what's coming and when it does, you're okay with it because we've set the tone early on. Anything could pop out of the darkness and they could battle all kinds of stuff later on it it it sets us up Thio to allow all kinds of adventures for them to go on and different, you know, sort of malevolent beings to thio take on in combat. Uh, also, I'd like Thio have ah, Sara Olivia Munn character. She figures out how to sort of wheeled her ghosts that air inside her. Ah, each with sort of different abilities and stuff where she can kind of shoot them out of her hands or eyes or whatever. And so she kinda has ghosts, Um, as you know, her powers and stuff. And so I think that'd be a lot of fun. And they'd probably be some tension between her, um, and Curtis where, you know, he's basically been trying to fight demons and ghosts all this time, and she's part of that, and so that would be a fun thing. And I really think that, um, the whole whole casting with, uh, Channing and Hill, Channing Tatum and Jonah Hill would be a lot of fun because I really enjoyed him in 21 Jump Street. And I just think they're both good comedian separate, But together, they made a really good team. S o. I think that'd be a lot of fun with them.

Chris Sully:   1:1:56
Well, I mean, first of all, bonus points for Olivia Munn cause I'd watch anything she's in. Yeah. Ah, wow. Just gorgeous, but yeah, the casting of ah, of those two guys I'd love 21 Jump Street. And one of my favorite things in film all time was the series of Sequels that they pitched in poster form at the end of 22 Jump Street. Maybe the only redeeming quality of that movie, but and I don't know if you know this, but years ago Ah, I believe it was Sony had actually green lit the one of the Sequels to 22 jump street that they kind of pitched at the end, which was a jump street men and black cross over. And they were moving forward with this thing. It was gonna happen where the guys were gonna become men in black and I so badly wanted to see that, like, that would have been a comedy genius. Ah, but for some reason, after they got into early development, they can to the concept. And I know what a loss.

Matt Sully:   1:2:52
I would like That too. And that introduces some cool ideas. Why not? Why can't we do more crossover things with with the successful movies that be a lot of fun?

Chris Sully:   1:3:02
I'd love to see it. I mean, look what the emcee you did with a with a shared universe against all of their own films. Why not take successful a and successful be and make super successful? See, I think that would be so much fun. You bring in these audiences from different backgrounds. I watch that in a heartbeat. I would if they put up a Kickstarter for that right now. I would help fund that. Like like Super troopers did for their sequel.

Matt Sully:   1:3:27
Like I, uh, when ah, Freddy versus Jason came out. Um oh, I thought, What a

Chris Sully:   1:3:35
cool concept. And I

Matt Sully:   1:3:36
really liked the movie. I don't know if everybody likes that movie, but I do. I think it's a lot of fun and having those two characters duke it out and stuff that was That was a cool concept. And I had heard they were supposed to do one Ah, follow up with, um, with Ash. They were gonna have ah, Freddy versus Jason versus Ash. But I don't like that. Got anywhere. We did have the way, at least got the ash TV series, and that was really good.

Chris Sully:   1:4:02
I speaking of I saw earlier today or yesterday evening that Sam Raimi going roll off subject Sam Raimi has been confirmed to direct Doctor Strange to into the madness or whatever it's called. And so already you've got ah, what is that face Ash? Um, pitching publicly? He's like, Well, I'll play the villain in the movie If you need somebody, I'm ready. Bruce Campbell? Yeah, he's He's amazing. By the way, one of the best guys to see it, A panel at Akane ever. He ends up hosting his own game show in his panel. Oh, yeah. And he is so smart.

Matt Sully:   1:4:32
Yeah, the one I went to with you here in Ottawa, uh, had him in there

Chris Sully:   1:4:36
was that we're aware

Matt Sully:   1:4:37
that's where it was. That was a lot of fun,

Chris Sully:   1:4:38
but he was messing with the kid on stage. There was, like a like a 12 year old boy who was, like, uh, would say stuff, and he was just really giving him a hard time. It was really funny.

Matt Sully:   1:4:46
Yeah, he was He was good. Um, I really like him. And I can't know if I mentioned this movie before about Bubba Ho Tep. Did you ever watch that one?

Chris Sully:   1:4:54
Oh, yeah. That's a crazy one. replace like old Elvis or

Matt Sully:   1:4:56
what? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a really good movie. Like it's way better than I thought it would be. And, uh, that's a lot of fun, too. If you haven't checked that one, I should really go check that

Chris Sully:   1:5:04
one. I love Army of Darkness. Yeah, it's

Matt Sully:   1:5:08
still a classic. I can't say that I'm excited, though, for Sam Raimi to do, um, the Doctor Strange movie, Because I feel like his style belongs with a certain genre. Like in the horror realm. It works really well. And I I remember when the Spider Man's came out, I was excited to see him direct something different. Yeah, but and and even then I think I'd like them. I really like Tobey Maguire. So I think that helped quite a bit. They were good movies, but watching him now, I don't like him nearly as much.

Chris Sully:   1:5:42
Well, interestingly enough, Doctor, Strange too is being pitched. Is the first M. See you horror film, okay. Has been for months since before they agreed to bring him on his director. So okay, would be in trouble then

Matt Sully:   1:5:54
Then maybe he's very fitting for the part because

Chris Sully:   1:5:58
they're good at picking their directors

Matt Sully:   1:5:59
because, as horror, being the main focus with his weird, you know, zooms and cuts and can't be a sort of style. It ah, I don't know, makes a different sort of tone, so that might work. Very well, then. Cool.

Chris Sully:   1:6:13
Well, I derailed is horribly. I'm sorry about that, but Ah, so that was your pitch. Did you get? Did you have a title? Did you say the title?

Matt Sully:   1:6:19
It's just gonna be called Ghostbusters to Syria's gonna be called Ghostbusters. I kind of want to hook. I wanted to have ah, gag, though. Where, um they never actually like the team talks about having a name. Um, but it's never actually Ghostbusters, like they just used these off shoots. One that I think it's in our trivia where they have the alternate names and stuff. Words that go smash your you know, ghost grabbers or something like that. And so I think I'll be funny tour. They never actually used the name ghost busters other than the title of the

Chris Sully:   1:6:47
show. Yeah, I like that. I like you because that's the one of the things that always gets me is when they have to say the title of a thing in the movie in a place where it doesn't really make a lot of sense. Like in Ghostbusters makes perfect sense. They needed a name for what they were doing. But some of these other ones, like all you forced that. Why did you say the title of the movie?

Matt Sully:   1:7:06
It's always drinking game sort of thing up. They said the tiles. Everybody take a shot.

Chris Sully:   1:7:10
Yeah, too good. All right, guys, the time for the big sell. Leap it. It is later. All right, Pitch, please. All right, here we go. I before I get into it all. Just a little warning. I know there are video games in the Ghostbusters world and comic books that are considered cannon by many fans. I am not well versed on those while I have played some of the games, I have not read the comics s Oh, my focus. Much as it seems that they're leading to with the third film that they're officially making eyes just on Ghostbusters. One Ghostbusters to in this third film, anything else? I'm not playing into title of mine. I am going to stick with the title Ghostbusters after life, and I am going to stick with the film. I. I like the title and I'll be honest. I may have had a hard time breaking in my mind the connection that I already have with the sequel, because I have been excited for a long time. And I liked the teaser trailer, and I like the full official trailer, and I have read a couple things before knowing we were gonna do this podcast. So some of this mighta leaked over from the trailer I've already seen is what I'm getting at. Ah, director. I'd like to keep Ivan Reitman. Jason Reitman. Ah, wonderful director. He's great. I love Juno, one of my favorite films, but I liked the idea of keeping a director, especially if you've got a formula that works. And I think we do and Ghostbusters one into, So I want Ivan back. I'd like the stars to still be our main core. Dan Ackroyd, Bill Murray, Ernie Hudson, Sigourney Weaver, Rick Moranis and Annie Potts. I want them all back. I feel like they can all still offer something to this world as they possibly hand off to someone else. Here is the big silly pitch. 31 years after the events of Ghostbusters, too, the Ghostbusters once again find themselves disband due to a lack of business. They clearly did too good of a job eliminating the ghost threat that had played New York not once but twice. The core team of Aikman stand Spangler's atom, or, along with Dana Barrett Lewis telling Jean Mel Nets, have all gone their separate ways. For the first time in years, our heroes are brought back together for the funeral of their good friend Dr Egon Spengler. They all attend the funeral in upstate New York, where he gone and married and had Children at the funeral and after the team catches up a bit and chats with the gun's wife aboutthe weird circumstances surrounding his death. She is unsure just what happened to Egon, but hints that the fact that he had been researching the paranormal for years on his own and had been increasingly excited as of late stances that, um, or decide to investigate, he guns passing and convinced Brinkman that he should join them. Tully, who's been reading and studying the occult research and ghost for years, now joins the team even though they try to discourage it. They started Egan's house in his barn slash research facility. It's clear by the photos and red string movie law that Egan has been researching a phenomenon that has appeared not only in New York but around the world, Egan's research has found, and recap vocally by the team. Also moving along had continued to focus on human emotions and how the paranormal could affect or be affected by them. Graphs and charts on the walls of his research barn clearly showed that the anger levels around the world had been increasing over the last three decades, and he found a link to the paranormal. One common thread was that the Internet. I'm sorry. One common thread was the Internet, and Egan was convinced that a singular spirit or entity has somehow using this the Web to slowly increase the hostility and anger of people all over the world. His studies often involve interviews with the angriest of them all Internet trolls during their own research and investigation. Ah, ghost, unseen by the team but definitely seen by the viewers of the film, helps to nudge Tully towards some clues. Moving objects, hitting keys on the keyboard, whispering in his ear, etcetera. The team eventually finds that the hottest spots to investigator Internet exchange points around the world, where the majority of Internet traffic goes through and they head to core sight any to a facility in good old New York to investigate. I didn't come up with that name. That's the actual name of the site at the facility. The team finds the employees they're all little off and especially angry, even from native New Yorkers. The behavior of these employees seems a bit much. They're a series of events, mishaps and plenty of colorful banner from Brinkman. They determined that spirits have started to take over the employees there and at other exchange points around the world. They're snooping, and Discovery leads the to the big bad a Buffy the Vampire Slayer term of the movie to reveal him or herself. Fast forward. How do you fight a ghost that's taken over the Internet? You go into the Internet. A team goes into a Ghostbusters videogame created almost 10 years before and takes control of their digital cells. Using V R. To fight the big bad totally actually takes over the Egan character and fights alongside the team. Of course, not being video game players, the team is has some early mishaps, but eventually they figure it out while in the game. They recruit other players and even some ghosts Hello, Slimer cameo to help them in their struggle and eventually go head to head with the Big Bad, an actual giant troll doll, complete with huge, brightly colored hair that leads right into the merchandising. You're welcome. The team puts up the fight of their lives and, of course, comes out on top. The big Bad is trapped in harnessed in a digital containment unit, courtesy of Aegon's son, who was helping from outside the video game and walking the team through some of the finer points of the video game play. Upon exiting the game, the team celebrates their victory, but something's off. Kelly, who is usually weird enough, seems really out of it and doesn't remember much of what happened during the events of their epic struggle against the giant troll. They all comment about what an amazing job he did, Izzy gone, but he just can't piece it together. A quick shot at the end shows the spirit of Egon rising up at a Tully's body only seen by the audience. So Egan was there with the team the whole time, just unknowingly, they didn't know Ghostbuster saved the world again. But this go round was a little different this time. The events of this entire big battle against a troll were live streamed on sites like Twitch Mixer and YouTube. Every corner of the globe, the world now void of this extra negativity forced on by the spirits becomes a happier place. And an entire generation of fans are armed with the knowledge and ability to fight these ghosts Should they mean when they eventually reappear. So there's my pitch. I, um I like the the idea of, ah, of a big bad that is much bigger than the previous films. And I like the idea that they hinted at it, especially into that New York was seemed especially angry, and they played on how the slime could go positive or negative, depending on the people around them. So the idea of the entire world getting angrier because of the Internet, which that's true, right? Uh, we have a chance to fight it. So maybe, Ah, maybe there's a chance for us all the win by banding together and learning something from Ghostbusters after life.

Matt Sully:   1:14:23
Yeah, that's cool. I It's so funny every time. Ah, I think of the Internet and movies. It's goes back to the eighties or is like E equals M C squared, Flying by and skull and crossbones or something there, you know, random and lines cross. It's always so lame and in in, ah, newer movies like how it's treated, I think. What? The only thing I didn't think I was like Ralph Ah, wreck it, Ralph. Is this new introduction of you know what is the Internet for movies? So be cool, too. See that again? Another treatment of what that looks like and stuff

Chris Sully:   1:15:00
I like. I like the Chappelle's Show. Like what he talks about. If the mole we're more like it, the Internet, you go in and all those ads or thrown at you and there's a whole bunch of adult stores or you go ah was wrote of the real lame representations. Was either lawnmower man with the V R or a hacker's Oh, the way they established the Internet Hackers was crazy.

Matt Sully:   1:15:22
Yeah, didn't it just always have code going across the screen or something. It's a steady stream of digital stuff. Hackers and those that just perpetuated this idea where somebody sitting down and constantly typing a computer, which would be the exact opposite They already written the code they just hit, enter a run or whatever. You know, it's like it's just gonna execute like e x c. You know, you just put it out there and then you sit back and, you know, Wait, you're gonna be constantly typing. Why would that happen? It's ridiculous.

Chris Sully:   1:15:51
Maybe a great Internet short to break down like what it is and movies versus what it is in real life. Yeah, yeah, I watched

Matt Sully:   1:15:57
Ah, very briefly one of these actual hacker contests. You know, though, film and I'm not gonna televise that. They'll have, like, these conferences or whatever, where it will be something there. And it's so boring. Like try and they try and make it exciting. But it's not. It's just not an exciting thing to watch because it's a computer program running like Yeah, yeah, it doesn't work. It's just about the outcome. Exactly. Yeah. Um cool. Yeah, I like that. I think both of us also did something where we we're both of the other. I mean, you still are in New York, but you're also worldwide. Um, where Ghostbusters one and two was very isolated to New York, like the threat was always there. It wasn't a worldwide threat. And realizing that makes you understand how possible it Woz where after the 1st 1 even though they say the city, um, it didn't affect the world. And at the time, like not everybody was filming, it wasn't on the phones. It wasn't on the Internet. So it is possible to understand how they could have been dismissed so much by five years later being, you know, hacks and frauds and stuff and and that when even when they did it again in the 2nd 1 we could totally understand that they would be right back, you know, in the in the gutter again. And not not having any any money or any any work for them as Ghostbusters. So this changing it to a worldwide phenomenon where everyone is not only aware of them, but possibly the threat is worldwide as well. Um, changes game.

Chris Sully:   1:17:34
Yeah. I mean, the events of one and two because of the time. Like you said, everybody didn't have a cell phone. They weren't all shooting. Even the news stations would have been slowed the tick to get there to capture what I mean, the stay puff marshmallow, man. The whole scene iro would have lasted, like 5 to 10 minutes. They may not have had time to get cameras out. And if one did get out, it could be debunked. Just like the moon landing. How people are trying to do that with the moon landing as, Oh, this was some sort of special effect. Yet you put on that. I couldn't be really, you know,

Matt Sully:   1:18:02
it's not possible. All right, cool. So those are our pitches? Ah, I don't think either one of those air gonna be what happens in Ghostbusters after life. I think we already know that. Ah, but that's that's the fun of this whole thing. And so if you have a pitch idea, if you have a concept, be sure to throw in that throwing at us for now and all future episodes, it's Ah, it's gonna be a lot of fun on it. We'll get to the point where we actually might get those in advance and and read them. You know, the winning pitch on the episode. So what is gonna happen with the actual Ghostbusters after life? Well, here's what we know so far after being evicted from their home to Children and their single mother moved to a farm in Somerville, Oklahoma, inherited from their late grandfather. When the town experiences a series of unexplained earthquakes, the Children discover their families linked to the original Ghostbusters, who have become something of a myth, as many have long since forgotten. The events of the Manhattan Cross rip of 1984 and the secret legacy that their grandfather left behind. We get a lot of the original cast in this. Actually, we've got Sigourney Weaver, Bill Murray, Annie Potts, Dan Ackroyd, Ernie Hudson. Ah, we also get some new folks. Paul Red is gonna be in there. Um uh, Carrie Coon, who played Proxima Midnight in the adventure of injures in game and Infinity warships and makeup. So we wouldn't have recognized her in that. But she was also in Fargo television. Siri's a swell is the leftovers. We also get Bokeem Woodbine, who was in the Rock or Riddick, Spider Man Homecoming and for the Kids McKenna Grace. She was in Troop Zero. Captain Marvel, Annabelle Comes Home Ready. Player one I, Tanya, Independence Day Resurgence. I mean, these girls only 13 and that that's massive. Like

Chris Sully:   1:19:47
she's just doing I she can retire now if she wants.

Matt Sully:   1:19:51
Yeah, she's done it all. Ah, Finn. Wolf hard, Great name, by the way. Like that's his It is actual name Fan, Wolf Heart. And like a UFC fighter. Yeah, uh, we all know him Eyes Mike Wheeler on stranger things that he was also in the it one and two on that kid's great like, uh, how pretty much see anything he's in. He's very likable. This is directed, as you said earlier, by Jason Reitman. Who's Ivan Reitman, son? Ah, and I don't think we talked about it. Ah, Jason Reitman's actually the kid in Ghostbusters to his party at the beginning. Ah, he's that your kid who'd rather see he, man, there s when the ghost posed for sure. He's all disappointed. Ah, he directed Juno. As you mentioned. He else ended up in the air Young adult Labor day and totally of old names Ah, and ah, I remember Ah, way back in the day when I was at A and M. We did the Texas in a minute film festival, and I got to see a lot of the submissions that people would send in. And he sent in his first short, called Operation, and, ah, like a black and white, maybe 20 minutes or something. And it was, if you remember, one of those sort of wives tale, um, stories about people getting kidnapped in Mexico or wherever. And they wake up in the bathtub full of ice and their kidneys been taking out. That's what this story was about. And it was very funny, very entertaining. Ah, and I was really excited to see his work then. And since then, I'm a big fan. I like Juno up in the air is fantastic. Totally was really good as well. Um, and so I'm anxious to see more from him. And I like the idea that this is a, you know, passing the baton. Not only if, um, the kids in the movie we're moving on from the the old ghost busters to the new generation, and we're doing that as well with the direction, so I think it's pretty cool it ese. He's doing this for writing. Ah, Jason Reitman helped write it us. Well, he had also written up in the air Labor Day. Thank you for smoking in the front runner. Those were some other movies he directed as well. Gil Keenan is joining him as a writer. Uh, now, this is only one of two of his writing projects, both here in post production, So not well known as a writer. He did, however, direct a few things he directed. Monster House 2006. It's gonna animated movie that Do you remember seeing? And it was very good City of Ember 2008 sort of a fantasy, dystopian future thing which I don't remember much about of it. But I do remember looking pretty cool, but I really couldn't tell you the story. Ah, and Poltergeist. The 2015 remake, which is very disappointing a cz I think everybody would agree, and you know that you deserve, because how dare you make Poulter guys, It's already a perfect film, and you're gonna go on Dhe say that we need to remake No, sir. So, um Yeah, you've upset me. Ah, this is gonna be a released. Ah, March 5th, 2021. So even though there's trailers and stuff now you're gonna be waiting.

Chris Sully:   1:23:04
Yeah, Yeah. Uh, just sitting there finished waiting.

Matt Sully:   1:23:09
Now, I know you said you'd rather have Ivan directing, but I mean, you're you. What do you think of Jason doing this?

Chris Sully:   1:23:16
I don't know. I I do have a little story. I was going to say to the varying, but I think now is a good time to bring it in. I was at Toy Fair. Ah, actually, this part of the story was a toy fair, which is a big industry thing. Earlier this year, in January, before all this broke out. Ah, where everybody tried to pimp out their toys for all the big companies. So the rest of the year, and Ivan Reitman was there on stage to talk about Ghostbusters to an audience. I was not in the audience, but caught the second hand. And I guess after a few minutes of discussion, people were asking him like, Oh, well, your dad did the 1st 2 making all these connections, asking them questions like, Well, you know what? Let's just bring my dad out. So Ivan Reitman was there as well, and he came out on stage, and I read that Ivan is a producer on the film, his son directing. But apparently he was around through a lot of this. So I like the concept that maybe it was more of a collaborative effort. Ah, with Jason eventually getting the handoff and taking over the reins for future films. So maybe Ivan still had a big hand in all this. Um, so maybe we're kind of getting the best of both worlds.

Matt Sully:   1:24:19
Yeah, that's cool. Not a bigot. All right, So you stuck around for a while. We're going to do some trivia fund fax from the films and these air A lot of fun. Ah, lot of this stuff is pulled from IMDB. We try and get from other Resource is, but ah ah. I love this kind of stuff. All the behind the scenes things and, um same. Yeah, well, and I think that's part of why we're doing this podcast. It's because we like to talk about all those sorts of things.

Chris Sully:   1:24:45
Yeah, it's fun to do a deep dive and learn some new things, cause I mean, while that's there, how many people bother? Scroll that far down on IMDB page. It's usually tow to find out an actor's name real quick. You don't usually get this deep in the weeds. All right, let's go. Ah, let's head it up. Trivia 1st 1 on the board Dan Ackroyd conceived Ghostbusters as a project for him, Eddie Murphy and John Belushi, where they would travel through time and space to combat a host of demonic and supernatural threats. Belushi died in 1982 is Ackroyd was working on the script, and I hate to derail it this early. Ah, but I was listening to a great podcast with Dan Ackroyd recently. I believe it was the Mark Merrin W T F podcast, and he was talking about this very thing. And he said that he was working on that script when he got the call from a friend that Belushi had died and the first question he asked was, does his wife know when they said no? So he took it upon himself to go and break the news to her and be the first person on the scene and to console her because they had been so close. And I thought that was Wow, that's That's a heavy, heavy stuff right

Matt Sully:   1:25:48
there. Yeah, that's really sad for a lot of different reasons, but, uh, yeah, that's that Super sent. Reitman was given a green light with the due date of June of 1984. This left him 13 months to complete the film. He had no script, no special effects studio and very loose casting Bill Murray still letting, like, totally committed to this thing. So, yeah, sure, go ahead. Just

Chris Sully:   1:26:16
he deserves, like about that Nobel Peace Prize for pulling that off. Several titles were considered for the film, since Ghostbusters was legally restricted by the 19 seventies Children show The Ghost Busters, two words owned by Universal Studios. Some options included Ghost Stoppers, Ghost Breakers and Ghost Smashers Bill. Fortunately, Price had parted ways with Columbia early in the Ghostbusters production and became head of Universal, at which point he allowed Columbia Toe have the title God just Worked out.

Matt Sully:   1:26:51
Otherwise we'd be singing Go smashers. Ah, John Candy was offered the role of Louis Tully, Reitman recalled. It was a few days before Candy called him back to say he did not understand the character, Candy suggested, portraying totally with a German accent and multiple German shepherds. But the filmmakers felt they were already enough dogs in the film for a man who was already aware of Rick Moranis from their work together in Toronto and sent him the script. He called Raven back about an hour later and accepted the part, saying he understood the character completely. And boy did he and already the next one, too, because it just ties into when Luis totally mingles with his party guests, commenting on the price of the salmon and so on. That scene is one continuous shot and almost entirely improvised. Wow! And if you haven't watched, that is the press. Dad is impressive, like the stuff he rambles on about is hilarious.

Chris Sully:   1:27:42
How do you do that in care like I would fumble over my words so bad I can barely read these words on the screen without fumbling. And he's just rattling off like this is such a such a wife. They just paid off the mortgage, and she's living off a deferred unemployment, literally like just so funny. Man, I love John Candy I can't. I can't think of another movie where I'd be like Oh, no. John Candy wouldn't have been great in that Tully freakin Miranda's owned that this character, he made it his own.

Matt Sully:   1:28:11
Yeah, he was perfect. That was perfect casting.

Chris Sully:   1:28:14
They only had one Ecto mobile to film with a 25 year old Cadillac, so extra care was taken to keep the car intact for the filming. Luckily, the car held on through main production, finally breaking down on the Manhattan Bridge during final shooting.

Matt Sully:   1:28:32
Well, it's part of that whole rushed thing, right? Like it. And I guess they got one car. They didn't have time to build more of them like we got 13 months. Just get it out there and start filming the role of the Samarian God goes with goes. Arian was originally intended for Paul Reubens, envisioned as a business suited architect. Rubens passed on the idea, and they went to Yugoslavian actress Slav Itsa Jovan. The role changed to one inspired by the androgynous looks of Greece Jones and David Bowie. So Pee Wee Herman would have been, ah, the big bad at the

Chris Sully:   1:29:05
site I can't even fathom. I'm sure like you hinted at the makeup and all that stuff probably would, ah, would have solved it. But I'd still be like, that's freaking pee wee herman up there. Yeah,

Matt Sully:   1:29:18
well, and and, ah, I'd seen him in, Uh, was it, uh, was a Cheech and Chong movie. I think he was in there, and, uh, his whole line is always something like ma'am burgers or something. And he just does a bunch of cocaine all the time. He's just he's just freakin crazy in that movie. I don't He's a strange one. So I don't know how he would have done this character. It would have been doing his typical peewee sort of behavior

Chris Sully:   1:29:44
or it might have might have been such a departure. He might have done something different. What? It changed his career permanently. It could have been very different. In the months before its debut, a teaser trailer was released focused on the No Ghosts logo, helping the icon to become recognizable far in advance and generating interest in the film without mentioning its title or its stars. A separate theatrical trailer for the film contained a functional toll free telephone number with a message by Murray and Ackroyd waiting for the 1000 callers per hour it received over a six week period. Wow, Bold, Bold. I think you and I as kids. I remember having these conversations we actually talked about, like doing movie reviews or how we thought there should be an all hero network, which is what we have now. But one of the things we talked about was, If you've got a solid movie and a solid premise like the 89 Batman, just put up the logo on a poster, put it out and you don't even need trailers. People will come and watch these films and word of mouth will continue to deliver. I think Ghostbusters could have been the same, but maybe not. Maybe it wouldn't have been enough.

Matt Sully:   1:30:53
Yeah, I don't know. Ah Murray left acting for four years following the release of Ghostbusters. He described the film's success is a phenomenon that would forever be his biggest accomplishment and compounded by the failure of his personal project, the Razor's edge, that he felt radioactive. He chose to avoid making movies until 1988 when he appeared in the Christmas comedy film Scrooged discouraged even trading Ghostbusters popularity and its marketing, using the tagline that Murray was back among the ghosts.

Chris Sully:   1:31:21
That's actually really smart. Yeah, I'm glad he came back. No kidding. That's what your age is. A Christmas staple. You gotta watch that

Matt Sully:   1:31:30
every year. Yeah, well, now that we know the Marie Brothers Aaron, two extra funds.

Chris Sully:   1:31:35
Yeah, it is the character of Winston was meant to get have joined the team much earlier and would have been slimed at the hotel when Eddie Murphy declined the role. However, the script is rewritten Have Winston appear about halfway through the film?

Matt Sully:   1:31:48
After Harold Ramos passed away, fans of the movie paid tribute to him by visiting the New York City firehouse used in the exterior shots and created a makeshift memorial featuring Nestle Crunch bars and reference to Blankman giving Spangler candy bar and Twinkies in reference to Spangler using the Twinkie to describe the ghost problem in New York City. That's that's amazing here. That's great

Chris Sully:   1:32:09
On the set, Dan aka, referred to the Slimer Ghost as the ghost of John Belushi slammers. Gluttonous eating was based on Belushi's cafeteria scene in National Lampoon's Animal House. Look, I'm a pimple while Hey, Dana

Matt Sully:   1:32:24
is apartment building actually exists at 55 Central Park West in New York City. In real life, the building is 20 stories high for the film. Matte paintings and models were used to make the buildings look bigger and with more floors, that's probably a boring big rectangle.

Chris Sully:   1:32:39
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I've seen it. I just because they didn't have those distinguishing looks of the top floors. I didn't know what I was looking at. Next time I go when I want to track that down, though. Ah, all right. Moving on to some cool trivia for Ghostbusters, too, Max von Sydow provided the voice of ego. It completed his recordings in a single day. Wilhelm von Hamburg, who eventually played Viggo, reported, only learned his voice had been dubbed with Von Settles while watching the premier and stormed out shortly afterward. Fuck, yeah, that's gotta suck. What a slap in the face if they don't warn you like it would be different if they told you up front. But to find out at the premiere at a left, too.

Matt Sully:   1:33:21
Yeah, that would be upsetting. Well, this he was in the movie like was that I read somebody else, uh, had a role. I can't remember who it was. Now they had a role in the movie on and it was cut out at some point. Oh, I want to say it was Eugene Levy ah had

Chris Sully:   1:33:38
ever had

Matt Sully:   1:33:38
apart. And then they cut it out. It wasn't a huge thing, but it was, you know, hot. Still, that sucks you because they don't tell you. I've heard that story several times from people they go to the premier, They're in the movie or they were. And then their part isn't in the movie anymore. And they were not aware. Wow. So I don't know. Now I'm picturing like these final cuts coming down like the last minute which may be. Does that happen? Whatever. In an interview in Star Log 1 48 Peter MacNicol revealed that in the first script he saw the character of Yano ship. Oh ha was a rather lackluster villain called Jason McNichol suggested making the art restorer come from Carpathia, which is why he's an expert on the painting of ego. During filming, McNichol spent a lot of time in his trailer. Creating Janos is origin and accent as well as a mythology for Carpathia. He even came up with his own vision for the Carpathian flag, which featured a snake stepping on a man. Wow, I gotta get

Chris Sully:   1:34:35
you got into Deep into care. Because the cartoon, the real Ghostbusters 1986 was so popular among Children Ivan Reitman, Dan Ackroyd Harold Ramos made a conscious effort to tone down the adult innuendo and behaviors from the original Ghostbusters. All of the Ghostbusters gave up smoking, except for a few scenes, or Ray has a cigar pipe in his hand or in his mouth. And the ghost took an appearance closer to those in the animated series rather than the more frightening effects of the first film. That going, you kind of mentioned earlier? I am. I kind of see it now, after reading that it makes sense.

Matt Sully:   1:35:10
Yeah, the New York police officer that receives the report of the Titanic sor rival says the call is coming from Pier 34. In real life, that was the ship's original destination. I almost made it

Chris Sully:   1:35:24
a scene where patrons run out of a movie theater. Slime oozes from the area, has cannibal girls on the marquee with Eugene Levy and Andrea Martin. Showing off the film was one of Ivan Reitman's first films as a director, and it shot out to that Eugene Levy just talked about I

Matt Sully:   1:35:41
don't think I've ever seen that, and I probably won't. But it's aimed, Yeah, I don't know. Maybe I should put on the list. Who knows? It might be good. Ah, In 1975 Filmacion, the animation company behind he Man and the Masters of the Universe, produced the Ghostbusters Ah, live action, Siri's about two men and a gorilla who hunt for ghosts. When Ghostbusters, the movie was released in theaters nine years later, Columbia Pictures had to buy the rights to the title from Filmacion. Filmacion then capitalized on the film's popularity by producing the original Ghostbusters, based on their earlier Siri's, to avoid confusion. The animated series based on the film was called the Rial Ghostbusters.

Chris Sully:   1:36:22
Sure, it's not confusing at all, Yeah, uh, to avoid confusion, like

Matt Sully:   1:36:28
300 different Ghostbusters variants, so nobody knows what's happening, and somewhere there's a gorilla and will know we're

Chris Sully:   1:36:35
far from done. We're going to get more. Ah, and finally, the large V go painting is actually a photograph and hangs in the offices at Industrial Light. Magic. I never would've guessed. They looked perfectly like a painting. I hope

Matt Sully:   1:36:50
they made it. We're like the eyes actually follow you like those moves around.

Chris Sully:   1:36:55
I mean, I was kind of impressed by the three d look of like, when his face stretches out. Looks around at one point, that looked really good for the time. I'm not quite sure how they did that. Honestly, Yeah, there's still good

Matt Sully:   1:37:07
effects. And they're like, Ah, I think, if anything, the effects in the 2nd 1

Chris Sully:   1:37:15
No, they're both. They're both

Matt Sully:   1:37:17
fairly on par with one another, but I think I still like the 1st 1 Better for effects. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Different tongue.

Chris Sully:   1:37:26
Well, that ends the ah trivia facts, but I do have a couple of random behind the scenes. Things tryto wrap this up here in a couple of minutes. This this movie are movies. Ghostbusters one and two have been a part of my life since I was a kid, and I don't think it'll ever not be a part of my life. I think I'll watch these films many more times, but ah, forever ah, thread of pop culture and my life. It's been interesting the run ins I've had with it. In 2017 January I was in L. A. For the premiere of the funk Oh documentary called Making Fun, and one of the things we did was we went over to the famous Big Boy Burger Place. Everybody knows Big Boy and ah, when we went in, put her name on the list. Turn around. There's Ernie Hudson, Winston's Adam or standing right there with this family. I so badly like inside. I'm screaming, It's Winston and I wanted to go say hi to him, But he was with his family and I didn't wanna be that guy. That meal time is one time you don't interrupt people. And so I'd never saw an opening. But they was cool to be in the same area with him, and he looked great. I mean, he doesn't look like he's aged that much over the years. He looks really good. I mentioned this earlier. Marc Maron has a great recent episode with Dan Ackroyd, where he talks about Ah, Ghostbusters and many other things. But one of things I found really interesting is he talked about his family's ties to the occult and how they've studied for years. And they have books. Ah, and that, Ah, they made a conscious effort to bring ectoplasm into common everyday like pop culture and made it famous with Ghostbusters. But that's something that no one really knew about that gooey substance until the movie came out. But I guess he and his family have known about it for a long time. Ah, and finally, I told one part of the story but didn't tell the second part. Jason Reitman was that toy fair that I was at back in January of this year, and I know he was on stage and I didn't get to see him. But hours later I'm touring a guy through the booth, showing him all the new stuff that Franco, and he just puts his hand up. The guy I'm touring instead and basic is like stop talking and he looks behind me and he goes right behind you. There's a man I want to get my photograph with, and it was Jason Reitman, and I had no clue. I had walked right past him. I think I'd even looked at him and It just didn't register. I feel stupid now for having not caught it. But the guy who was I was touring said I want a photo with him. Can you help me out? Was like, Sure, I'll take its I hold up his camera, he hands me an actual camera, not a phone. Ah, and, uh, I go to take the photos several times. I thought that was taking the photo. And as a hand the camera back to this guy I was touring through. Hey, can you check it? Make sure those air good. He looks and goes. No, no, no. You didn't actually take any photos. You gotta hold this button down longer. Luckily, Jason hadn't left and was kind enough to hang around for some additional photos. And the knee and this guy were talking and they get and the guy I'm touring was like, Hey, so, uh, what do you think our specials three gonna be is amazing. Is the 1st 2 or something to that effect? And Jason Reitman was like, Hey, you know, I did. I think it's great. I did a good job. I was gonna be up to the audience, though, so We'll have to wait and see. Unfortunately, it means till march of 2021. Now, But, uh, still long.

Matt Sully:   1:40:32
Yeah, that's a long time. But I will be going to see that one for sure. And Amen. Yeah, I I think it's gonna be pretty good. Well, thank you again for joining us movie retakes If you didn't listen to my earlier instructions right now, hit that subscribe button. Follow us on Twitter, where Wherever else or stock us in our backyard. I don't care. Just be a fan. And we appreciate you coming back

Chris Sully:   1:40:57
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