The podcast must flow! Brothers Matt and Chris Sully discuss DUNE, then (before they see the new DUNE) pitch their own Retake concepts. Also in this episode: The biggest director you've never heard of, the sci-fi epic that almost didn't get made, and a giveaway keyword you won't want to miss. Grab your sunscreen. On the desert planet of DUNE, Movie Retakes is your listening oasis.
About the Movie Retakes podcast: In the cinematic sea of prequels, sequels, reboots, and re-imaginings, the Movie Retakes podcast considers the merits and desires for Hollywood's new takes on our beloved movie classics. Brothers Matt and Chris Sully examine the latest retake franchises, pitch their own original retake visions, and share their love for the movies that made them.
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The podcast must flow! Brothers Matt and Chris Sully discuss DUNE, then (before they see the new DUNE) pitch their own Retake concepts. Also in this episode: The biggest director you've never heard of, the sci-fi epic that almost didn't get made, and a giveaway keyword you won't want to miss. Grab your sunscreen. On the desert planet of DUNE, Movie Retakes is your listening oasis.
About the Movie Retakes podcast: In the cinematic sea of prequels, sequels, reboots, and re-imaginings, the Movie Retakes podcast considers the merits and desires for Hollywood's new takes on our beloved movie classics. Brothers Matt and Chris Sully examine the latest retake franchises, pitch their own original retake visions, and share their love for the movies that made them.
Follow us on Twitter & join in the conversation: @MovieRetakes
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The beginning is a very delicate time. Know then
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that it is the year $2000
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in this time, the most precious substance in
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the universe is this movie retakes podcast, And today's episode of movie retakes is Dune. I don't know if we're supposed to say it all, Amanda
Chris Sully: 1:36
seen or not, But whatever that's it's a
Matt Sully: 1:39
fun word to say, Um, yeah, yeah, and, uh, yeah, we're gonna talk a lot about the David Lynch movie and the upcoming movie from Disney Villain Wave.
Chris Sully: 1:50
In today's episode, we got a lot in store for you, as my brother mentioned. We're talking about Dune. Ah, but we've got a few questions answered for you along the way. Like who's the biggest director you've never heard of how Maney Dunes are there? And what other epic sci fi movie almost didn't get made?
Matt Sully: 2:09
Great questions. I can't wait to find out the answer.
Chris Sully: 2:11
We'll get there. We'll get there
Matt Sully: 2:13
Cool. Ah, so what are you watching these days?
Chris Sully: 2:18
Well, I mean, we've got time on her hands. Eso I am. I'm cranking through the content right now. And that includes for me with movies and TV. A new season of Brockmeyer has landed Ah, on a m C, which I love that show season forward, take some riel chances and does some things different, and I'm 11. It Goldberg's in Brooklyn 99 still have new episodes landing. I love both of those as well, Superstore. And one of my new um, addictions is to coma f d. Brought to you by the broken lizard crew. They're back with a TV show, I believe. Season two it is. It is really well done, and it's honestly there. Movies can be great or cannot be so great. This one just delivers every week with a great cast. I really like it with podcasts. I'm still listening to Marc Maron's WTF. Barry Sonnenfeld is the most recent one ever listened to Lights Camera Pod, who we follow and share their stuff on our Twitter. On occasion. My buddies that talking Pops and my friends that geek together have some great episodes. And then for games. I'm streaming on my mixer channel almost every day playing games like Animal Crossing, which I'm fully addicted to. Yes, this old man likes animal crossing and call of duty Modern warfare War zone, which is a um, it's a fun. It's a fun game. It's free, which is Ah kee to point out to all of you big download but absolutely free to play eso. Why not try it? It's a battle rail mode game, lots of fun and then I can never stop playing Candy Crush.
Matt Sully: 3:58
Yeah, turn going up. I, uh I don't think I ever mentioned this, but I play this card game. I played it forever and I could never remember because it's called animation. Throw down. That's what it is because I think that the name is lame. But anyway, ah, it takes all of the characters from, like, ah, Bob's burgers and King of the Hill and, um, future Rama, um, and all these things. And it's like it's, you know, it's one of these games. It's just like a bunch of other games where you play these cards, you do combos and your attack and you have a defense and all that sort of stuff. I've been playing this thing for iro two or three years, like every day. Um and I'm part of I've moved my way up where I'm in a guild now. We're actually like a top 50 guild. Um, and so we do. All right. I'm probably the worst one in the group for watching stuff. We did finish the first season of outsider Ah, which I like how it ended up. I think it kind of took a little bit of, um it took some time getting there like it got a little slow in there, and and ah, wasn't really certain if I was gonna enjoy where the direction they were going In the end, I think it turned out okay. Ah, bit of ah, mislead there with saying Jason Bateman was in it, cause was he in on episode and 1/2 and then he's gone. Thanks a bunch. Um, but for the most part, I like the risk that cast. I also watched. Um, we just started Shits Creek, which had been recommended to us before, And, ah, we
Chris Sully: 5:42
have even
Matt Sully: 5:43
watched an episode along a couple of years ago, I think, and we're
Chris Sully: 5:46
like that was
Matt Sully: 5:46
okay. But now, way started washing were like,
Chris Sully: 5:49
Yeah, this is
Matt Sully: 5:50
way funnier than I remember it being from that one episode, so we're we're totally into that. I think we'll keep watching that for quite a while. Everybody in there is just brilliant. All the characters are really good.
Chris Sully: 6:00
I love that show.
Matt Sully: 6:02
Yeah, the people you think you you're not gonna like, Like the the sister and the brother and stuff like, I think they're gonna be minor and not so good. They're the funniest ones on there. That it's it's really put put together pretty well. Um Westworld, I am continuing to watch, but I think I might be done. Ah, the last couple episodes. I just feel like it's it doesn't know what it wants to be anymore and what it is becoming. I don't care. Like I just know I'm just not into it anymore. Yeah, I'll go back and watch Season one, I think before I continue watch anything else, I just don't I don't the direction they're taking it and like now they're turning. The last two episodes were there just because it's become like an action show where now it's just all about the next action sequence where they're gonna fight with people and stuff like that didn't I don't think that's what it was supposed to be, I suppose, to be more of a drama. Anyway, I think I'm think I'm done with that one, and I'm okay with that. What else? How much I watched yesterday
Chris Sully: 7:00
and I
Matt Sully: 7:00
liked it um it was very charming than stuff, and, um, I like everybody in it. Kind of like the middle. The third act felt like it was dragging on, but ah, it ended up alright. Doug,
Chris Sully: 7:14
I really There's a lot of questions I had after finishing that one that I'd love to do a deeper dive on one day. But I want to know I want to see more from that world. I like the idea that there were several things that had changed. Yeah, you know, And then he kept stumbling on the new ones. And it was such a shock to my really loved that. Yeah,
Matt Sully: 7:33
like that too. Times it felt like it was a bit more of like, the concept they had was all they had, you know, they were like the story needed to develop a little bit deeper, but entered opinion and entertaining sort of one. You know, I'll probably watch with one time and not go back to, but yeah, I like that idea too, because it reminds me everything kind of comes back to sliders for me is always like these. These shows where there's this you goto on alternate version of your reality, and it's a slight difference or whatever, and that's always kind of fun. All right, so for today's special segment still have named the segment something like behind the curtain or ah, behind the scenes or whatever. You can name everybody out here if you're listening and you like these special segments. Ah, why don't you suggest the name for me? Because I'm obviously not creative enough to come up with one. All right, So this is gonna address the question that my brother asked earlier, Who is the biggest director in Hollywood that you've never heard of? Well, let's talk about. From 1968 to 2000 Alan Smithee directed almost 50 movies and a dozen television episodes of various shows. So why have you never heard of him? Because he doesn't exist
Chris Sully: 8:48
to what talents? Yeah, Alan
Matt Sully: 8:51
Smithee is the official pseudonym used by film directors who were so dissatisfied with the final cut of their work that they would choose to disown the project by Directors Guild of America guidelines that these disassociative directors were required to prove to a guilt panel they were unable to maintain creative control over their own film and once approved, were never to acknowledge being the project's director. Instead, the name Alan Smithee would be listed in the credits as the project's director.
Chris Sully: 9:18
Huh? Crazy. I never heard of
Matt Sully: 9:20
this. May neither. When David Lynch's Dune was re edited for television, Lynch had his name replaced its director because he also wrote the movie. He altered the screenwriting credit to Judas Booth, a combination of the names Judas Iscariot and John Wilkes Booth. It was a reflection of how he felt producers treated him Ah, and ultimately assassinating the his beloved film. It's really perfect. Yeah! In 1998 the Film and Alan Smithee film Burn, Hollywood Burn was released, in which a man named Alan Smithee, played by Eric Idle, wishes to disavow a film he has directed but is unable to do so because the only pseudonym is permitted to use ISO night. Great premise. The film was directed by Arthur Hiller, who reported to the D. G A that producer Joe Esther House had interfered with his creative control and successfully removed his own name from the film, So Alan Smithee was credited. Instead, the film drew mainstream attention to the pseudonym and following this. The DJ A retired the name. So we probably won't see Alan Smithee directing anymore projects after that. Spelling of the name varies, but Alan Smithee A l A N s m i t h e was reportedly the standard using that specific spelling. An anagram of the name would be the alias men. Ah,
Chris Sully: 10:42
wow. Sexist and weird. Yeah, that's ah, never heard of that. I cannot believe in all these years. And then also, if you are aware, this is a thing. And your name is Alan Smithee. The worst possible career path for you is Director. Way to go, Alan. Yeah,
Matt Sully: 11:00
You're gonna wanna change your name or spell a tive.
Chris Sully: 11:02
Yes. Yeah. Before you do it, your first film or you immediately
Matt Sully: 11:08
come in and you've got several credits of things you haven't done.
Chris Sully: 11:12
Yeah, but all those air horrible credits. According to this theory, that's amazing. I cannot believe in all these years of knowing things like the Wilhelm scream and little weird shoutouts to movie tidbits. I've never heard of Alan Smithee.
Matt Sully: 11:29
Yeah, that was just from doing some research on doing here, and I thought it was very interesting. And Judas Booth Yeah, interest rate name. And that's just for the, um I mean, he has his own. Lynch has his own opinions about the theatrical cut as well, but that was most that was just for the edited version for television. So he obviously was very upset with that one.
Chris Sully: 11:53
He and I have something in common. I also have some opinions on it. Yeah, we'll get to that. Yeah, and so
Matt Sully: 12:01
that does bring us to the franchise of Dune. And let's go over the synopsis here, a Duke's son leads desert warriors against the galactic Emperor Emperor and his father's evil nemesis when they assassinate his father and free their desert world from the emperor's rule. There's a lot more going on, and that's kind of a heart description there. But okay, this stars and forgive my pronunciation. Everyone, you're getting Prock now who I know. It's Sutter Cane from in the Mouth of Madness in 1994. Ah, and he freaked me out in that one, too, and I I I I liked him in the movie. But the guy just creeps me out because of In the Mouth of Madness, which is a terrifying and disturbing film that if you watch it, you will never be the same person, which I think is the point of the movie. Actually, Francesca Anise ah is the is Jessica. She's like the concubine of Ah, the Duke who is Ah Jurgen Prague. Now she's also in Kroll from 1983. Yes, So I think we're both fond of that movie she played the um Oh, I forget what the character name is essentially like when they go and and they have to talk to that Spider Woman that lives. She's like trapped inside. Yeah, so she's the young version. She's not the old hag version in there, and she's very lovely. Ah, Leonardo Cimino, who was from the V series, is also placed Scary German guy in the Monster squad from 1987. I'm trying because that always seeing this and I know some of these names are what literally foreign. But but also that you know, I'm trying to reference other movies. You may have seen everybody nails Kyle MacLachlan. This was actually his first movie first. Anything pretty much Wow. Sean Young, who ah, was in Blade Runner. Ah, a couple years before this in 1982 shoes in Stripes a year before that. Anyone? Patrick Stewart, we all know Sting. Dean Stockwell, You should know, um, from
Chris Sully: 14:05
Quantum Leap.
Matt Sully: 14:06
Quantum leap. Thank you, Max von Sydow, who I think we actually
Chris Sully: 14:10
talk about building during Ghostbusters two.
Matt Sully: 14:14
That's right. He did the voice of the of the bag, much to the chagrin of the guy who played the physical row, uh, walked out the theater because he didn't know it. Gotten voiceover work from Box one max one Zoraida Virginia Manson is in there briefly as well. She actually opens the movie and then really doesn't have much of a part after that, which I'm okay with having her face on the screen for There could have been the whole movie that way. Lovely woman Jose for rare Brad Dourif and Kenneth MacMillan. Also in this and there from various projects, but not to go over over that, but you'll recognize their their faces. This was directed by David Lynch, who have previously had done Eraserhead in 1977. Ah, and the Elephant Man in 1980 Both were ah, critical acclaim. Um, 90% rating on Eraserhead and 92% on Elephant Man Ah, from Rotten Tomatoes and I have not seen either. I Eraserhead was on my list like it was one of those things that I I'd seen the name and, you know, working at the video store. It was on the shelf, and I remember passing it time and again, and I mean, read the cover before several times. And apparently it's typical David Lynch. It's just freaking weird. And, ah, bunch of experimental sort of shots. The Elephant Man. I think it's supposed to be a bit more mainstream, and so I am interested in actually going back and watching that one after this. After Dune Lynch one on a Duke Blue velvet in 86th Twin Peaks, Siri's and Movies Lost Highway in 97 Mall and Drive in 2001 and a host of other projects. Mostly, his work now is like short films and documentaries and stuff. So on day, one of the things I was watching Ah, another documentary about Dune, was how this project kind of steered him away from big Hollywood budget movies, and he's much more comfortable in in this smaller realm now. Interesting. Yeah. Uh, David Lynch also wrote the screenplay for Damon. Obviously, it comes from the Frank Herbert book before that, Um, and he writes most of his stuff everything he directed, everything I mentioned just a minute ago, he also directed Those are also wrote, those That's pretty rare. Uh, it's a select. It's a select group of directors who actually spend that time. Yeah, writing the screenplay SA's Well, I would like a list to see who will does that regular
Chris Sully: 16:56
Tarantino, one of the only other ones that comes to mind. He doesn't adapt other people's work like Like he writes for the purpose of making a film.
Matt Sully: 17:06
Well, I mean, a lot of stuff borrows from other things, but I don't think he's directly taken a book and adapted it, but we'd have to look that one up. So this came out in 1984. Ah, we've mentioned that you're before Big Big Year and cinema Ghostbusters eradicated Gremlins Beverly Hills Cup. Ah, and because of all those big hits, I'm sure we're gonna come back to that year again on the show, Dune came out December 14th alongside Starman, which you did mention Ah Ghostbuster says well
Chris Sully: 17:38
and Interestingly enough, in the most recent episode of the Goldbergs. I think I mentioned this before how he always has cool shirts and posters. I just watched it last night. He's wearing a Starman shirt, which I would love to own with on a Starman shirt. Just a little word. Starman. I mean, there's not Yeah, okay.
Matt Sully: 17:56
There's no cool I'll go or anything. Yeah. Um, in its opening weekend, Dune was actually number two behind Beverly Hills cop, which had premiered a week earlier. So initially it did get some money, and it ended up getting $30 million in opening weekend. No, that's
Chris Sully: 18:17
okay back then. That was a part of you.
Matt Sully: 18:20
Unfortunately, that's on a $40 million budget. So it is a loss. And yeah, the studio considered it a failure, as did most critics. 53% on rotten tomatoes, which I'm actually surprised at that high because every review you read, especially from back then when it came out, is just one star across the board. Wow. Some of them felt like it didn't deserve the one star.
Chris Sully: 18:48
Wow. Rough. Yeah. Okay. After
Matt Sully: 18:52
David Lynch's dune there waas too. Miniseries created for the sci Fi Channel or the Sifi Channel or whatever it wants to be going on, in a way, switched to that. I'm sure they have their reasons. Ah, Frank Herbert's dune came out in 2071% rating on that, and I have heard from people before they enjoyed it was far more than the movie. Ah, and Children of Dune came out three years later. There's no consensus on the rating there, so we don't have ah rottentomatoes rating there. In addition, the documentary Jodorowsky is Dune came out in 2014 that's rated 97% on Rotten Tomatoes. And I actually went and rewatched that again. However, the research, because I had watched him once before and enjoyed it thoroughly.
Chris Sully: 19:39
Who's John Urowsky, the director of that version? Yes. OK,
Matt Sully: 19:44
so he was. He was the intended director of Dune um in Ah, the seventies. I think I think it was yeah, not to look at what the exact year was, but it was sometime in the seventies he was basically putting together to do in project. He really wanted to direct it, and this documentary takes us through a reflection of that where how he was putting the team together. Um, his limitations involved yet. And he's got, Ah, very, very interesting documentary before I'd recommend. Actually, I wouldn't recommend you go watch Lynch's doing. I'd recommend you go watch this documentary instead, cause it's far more interesting. Some
Chris Sully: 20:24
you're recommending instead of watching a film, I watch a document or about a film that was never made. Boy, that is That says a lot about what you think about, dude. Yeah, yeah.
Matt Sully: 20:33
Sorry. Rushed out to watch Dune prior to this episode. You know, it's an experience, you know, and then we'll talk about that, too. Like that's why we're kind of segueing into that now. So let's let's let's do that. What? Let's talk about our opinions and what What we thought of Dune after our rewatch. I do You wanna go first?
Chris Sully: 20:57
No, no, go ahead. I want hear what you have to say before I say anything. Okay. Um, all right, well, let's
Matt Sully: 21:04
start with some good stuff. There he goes. I don't think that's gonna take too long. Um,
Chris Sully: 21:10
no, I I actually really, um I had
Matt Sully: 21:13
watched this a couple of times before, and this is another one And I'm sure that's gonna happen many, many times where I've watched it when I was younger, and I can't tell you exactly how old I was. But I remember being young enough where I was seeing it and thinking This is one of those movies that's for adults And, like I literally remember thinking that click the concepts and the visuals and the wackiness of it kind of just thought that was maybe a normal movie going experience. I mean, Lynch any any project you see of his it's kooky like the guy sees things differently and he tries to. He tries to put some weird things on screen. He the way he ah, hey puts these visuals together, but also just some weird, grotesque stuff that he seems to enjoy or just visually confusing if not like. I think it's there for, like, an emotional response. Thes air, basically art projects. Dune is the closest. I think he got to making a legit movie. Where and you see it like the casting isn't bad, like there's some good folks in this movie and they do their best. The kudos to the the costume crew. The set designed the effects like I think all that was pretty well done, especially for the time there were some groundbreaking stuff in this. And, um, I think that and especially, ah like I'll probably talk more about Jodorowsky student or whatever. Put those guys were starting on the project years before really trying to push the envelope on these effects because, I mean, that's what this movie is. It's, it's you. You have to embrace all the special effects and stuff, and that's one of things. I'm very curious about how they're going to do this newer one. I think they'll do it quite well. I think we're finally at a point where all the effects and I trust well, that's as an opinion for for further down in the conversation anyway. Visually, I think this thing is cool. I would recommend Washington just for that. There's some great visuals in here, really setting the tone for these different the planets. But also these houses Thea, the trade ease and the are cones and stuff. You see, you know a lot of the care that went into like when you, when you when you cut to a scene, just seeing what's in the background. You know exactly who where you are and Ah, and you know who's who's gonna be on screen and all that's really well done. I don't think that Lynch should have written this. I think somebody else should done the script also. I mean, there's a lot of things that went wrong and depending on who you ask, well, a lot of people are going to agree that the production group Dino de Laurentis Ah, group is the ones that pressured him to cut everything down. And and there is a lot of stuff in there that is ah from their hand, where because so many scenes were cut out that they had to go shoot these summary servicing. That whole intro from Ah, Virginia Madsen is an add on they had to do later on because so much stuff that cut out they need to her to come in and basically explain everything that makes settle. And you get that feeling through the movie you're watching air like Okay, this was an ad on This was an exponent, but it's so much of its explanation. It's like 70% of the movie. It's just them spoon feeding you. Here's this terminology. Here's what this thing does. Here's what this planet is about. Here is what these people are about in their history, and it's annoying. Arakis dio desert planet like I. I wish if, for that alone Lynch it had the time at to make this sort of sprawling the guy needed two movies. At least, um, is a huge story. And yes, so pacing alone, kind of ruins. Any chance this thing has it just being a normal movie, you can sit back and enjoy, but I'm not going to say, Had he been given all the time that it would have been a great movie. I think that Lynch is still just not a mainstream movie. Gay like it still would have been weird. Still have been gross. Ah, it probably would have felt too long. Like, I just I don't I don't think he was the right guy for and that's unfortunate. Um, but like I said, there's there is some good stuff in there. I'm not saying you should never go watch it, but I'm not gonna tell you to rush out to see it either.
Chris Sully: 26:05
I, uh Yeah, I agree with you. almost 100% even your, um, projection of the amount of time they spend. Explaining things I wrote 80% but we're really close on all this. I I did my patented bulleted format. There were some things I have wanted to call out. Totally grew with the on Virginia Madsen. What an opening I did not to start. I don't know if I ever sat and watched the entire dune before I thought I had. I think I only salt chunks of it at different points as a kid into maybe my early teens, and it's one of those I could not bring myself to go back and watch because I was afraid it would get to the point where I am right now after watching it again. And that is, seriously that the whole theme for this thing is WTF. What was going on for this film like they should just call it Doon WTF because that's that's how I feel about the whole thing. Ah yeah, Virginia Madison. Gorgeous like nice addition. There. You're right. I could watch her explain anything. At that point, the sets were giant and elaborate and amazing. Kudos do ever took on those builds and to find out that the budget for this thing was only 30 million. I think they spent it all on the main actors and the sets and the wardrobe. I don't think you spent it on anything else. I mean, that's a big chunk of it. But still sets are amazing. The wardrobe was equally on point with that amazing, futuristic cross with vintage royal, those futuristic military uniforms on Iraq. It's were awesome and functional. I like the actually like that explanation about how they work. Uh, I had to point this out. I stopped the movie to write this down the words, of course, everybody thinks of the worms in this. But then they explained that the worms attack vibrations and I'm like, OK, somebody was watching this and said, I've got a better idea and we got tremors. Yeah, yeah, And thank God for that, cause I loved trimmers. I even like the crappy Sequels determines, like seven of them now. And I've watched them all. They're great. The Baron is the ultimate WTF for the whole movie. Bring in that floating. What is this? They didn't explain this guy. We just come into a room. He's having surgery on his boils on his face. He gets up and flies around. He's they don't explain. I don't get why he is. The way is I feel like that's some of the stuff that was cut out. I've read explanations online, but I shouldn't have to read explanations online. They didn't have that available to him at the time. That was bad editing there. I think, uh, totally forgot. Patrick Stewart was. Even in this at Levity is a mullet, and he's still bald. That almost bowled. That was brilliant. It took me a wild, even realize. That was a moment I thought it was part of his uniform. Uh, and it one part. He goes into battle holding a pug. Why is he holding a hug? Ah, that was I think that
Matt Sully: 29:07
was Paul's daughter. Was Jessica's. I remember is it was one of the It was a royal dog. It was one of their pets.
Chris Sully: 29:12
It was, But you put that thing in a carrier, you don't carry it into battle. I don't understand that all the pug help with his battling, I don't I don't get it. Maybe
Matt Sully: 29:21
had special powers special powers.
Chris Sully: 29:23
I know they didn't. Maybe they cut that part two. Yeah. There. Maybe there was a full explanation on the bug powers I missed. Ah, the Baron's nephews sting and creepy smile. Smiley MK smiler seuin I I don't Ah. Sting was totally wasted. The guy is known for his voice and he barely spoke in the whole film, and they made them both look like they were freaking insane, which I guess was part of their role. But like to and to a huge extent, they seem like total psychopaths. Uh, the the cat and rat combo box. I still don't understand what was going on there. Why were a cat in a rat tied together in a box? Yeah. That was
Matt Sully: 30:02
one of the weirdest and cheapest looking things. It looked like they literally duct tape a rat to a cat. I think they did. I think this is before these oversight committees on making sure pets weren't treated cruelly.
Chris Sully: 30:18
I thought the same thing cause that cat was trying to escape the entire scene. The rat was probably dead. I don't think that thing was alive. The cat was moving it. Yeah. What's up with that. And also I'd love a shirt with that on there, because what a conversation piece. Ah, and finally, the randomness of it. Right? People be like, Ah, wait, what is that? Or they get it. And they would be like, Why do you have that on a shirt? I catch the reference. That's weird. Um, and then finally the little sister, which, by the way, did you see who the little sister actually is? She's a tip. If she's actually a fairly well known actors right now, I meant to write down her name. I'll have to go back to it in a bit, but she's a redhead. As an adult, she's been in several movies, and Siri's I've watched. I had no idea that was her as a little girl, but they dubbed her voice, and I get that they were supposed to be the scenes where she was like the witch Voice of control people. But the whole time she had that really weird dubbed creepy ass voice. I don't really know what purpose that's Mbarara. I'm afraid my brother won't be very pleased with use such killed this child. She's an abomination killer get out of my e Oh wow. Another part of the whole WTF thing.
Matt Sully: 31:46
I remember reading about her. I think this is Aaliyah. It's Alicia Witt.
Chris Sully: 31:52
Yeah, which, If that's right. Yeah, she's She's actually very pretty. Ah, I've seen her and quite a few things. She's a redhead. As an adult,
Matt Sully: 32:00
you've probably seen her in, Ah, supernatural. She was an episode of that show. She was on the Nashville. She was on walking dead. There you go. That's right. She was unjustified, which I like. That's
Chris Sully: 32:12
where I'm coming from. I love justified. And here she she plays an interesting character on that. But overall, I'm with you. There was There was It was like they constructed what was going to become a really good movie. They built the sets, they made the wardrobe, they hired these great actors and actresses and then it just like you had all the pieces of the puzzle. And they put it together wrong. Yeah, that was my take away from the whole movie. I It was tough to watch at least the first hour and 1/2 the last 30 45 minutes I actually enjoy. I
Matt Sully: 32:45
agree. I think around like the hour 40 mark. It hit its stride, Which is that too long Did it take to get there? But once it hit there, I'm like, OK, I'm kind of into this now. Like, this is kind of cool. The whole battle sequence where, Ah, hands. I'm not gonna look if you're gonna watch to see, you've never gonna watch it. So I'm not worried about ruining. Plus, it's really old, like, so I don't We shouldn't worry about spoilers anyway. Yeah, like they end up like he joins the Fremen. They have all the weirding stuff where they're shouting. Ah, basically, their shouts end up becoming lasers out of their their weapons. And he's writing that giant worm. I mean, that's pretty cool. Yeah, it it looks neat. Ah, the music. You kind of get into it and stuff. Ah, yeah, It actually around that around that market. It Ah, it actually comes into itself. And you are kind of interested in how it's gonna come out. There were some. I was I kind of got into a rabbit hole on looking into this thing one, because in writing our own pitches, I felt like I needed to understand a bit more about the world as much as they spoon feed you in the movie at the same time, you walk away feeling like Did I really understand that? Like, I'm not sure. And I still don't think I do. Ah, wtf up? Yeah, but I I feel bad that it's apparently one of the top selling SciFi books of all time, and I have never read it. And so I feel like a dope for not having read it, because it's is pretty cool subject matter. I would probably enjoy it. Um, but apparently that puts me in the same boat with the David Lynch and John Ross Key. Neither of them had read the book before. They wanted to do the project, and I don't think they ever did read.
Chris Sully: 34:33
Wait, what they just need They knew
Matt Sully: 34:38
it was a successful book. I mean, this was actually off. I don't know of if novels can be worldwide hits, which they can be against their best sellers and whatever this was actually up there doing was a well known book. Ah, and there was awards given out, like it was worldwide. Ah, hit. And so obviously people are gonna want to scramble to make a movie out of this. And they had the projects had been, ah, and talks since, Like the early seventies. Says book came out like 65 I think. And, um yeah and ah. And they had started Ah, around Hollywood. Uh, trying. People were trying to get things made back as early as 71. That just would not come together. And that's one of the weird things that this, this whole movie, seems tohave a strange sort of draw to it, but also a curse. Like it's an odd thing. Like how many people and this one of things that you're asking, like how many dunes are there? Well, I mean, we got the Jodorowsky was supposed to make one and you got to see Ah, that this guy, he he ah, he put he assembled this team of artists and special effects guys. Ah, he wrote out the whole script, but they spent months putting this thing together. Is this giant package to take to the studios to say, give us money? But here's exactly what you're getting and you get this giant book. You know, if you think about the Bible you've got, like, your your home version. And then you think about the thes Bibles that Ugo into, you know, some sort of, um, you know, elaborate church in Europe or something Where it's this thing weighs £50 by itself. And to turn the page, you need to call an assistant, you know? Ah, that's what this Waas Jonah Russki put together. Ah, and it is literally probably, like 10 inches thick, like deep and Ah, and it's beautiful, like, uh, it shows all the artwork in there and everything. And it's they did put a ton of work into this, and, uh, they made one of those for each of the major studios. So supposedly, I mean, there they still have a floating around somewhere while not floating around. Nothing will be. They pretty much have their own gravitational pull there, so, so massive. But But he put in the time and tried to get that done and just couldn't get studio backing. Um, it just wasn't gonna happen for him then. And there was other ones, too. There was, um, there was guys before that that were supposed to be putting something together even before villain aware like after Lynch, there was talks of remakes from, like, Peter Berg. We're supposed to do it, Um, and things just kept falling by the wayside. We did get the miniseries, The two miniseries from Dune Ah, from SciFi. There s Oh, that's something. And I feel that I would like to go back and watch those because those were apparently decently received, and I'd like to see another treatment of it. But, you know, we're going to get well, in a way, is dune anyway. Oh, yeah, those that was it too. Was that, um, one of the other people involved that was supposed to make This was Ridley Scott. He was He was supposed to be, um, doing it before. Lynch, I believe, and ah wouldn't take it on. He was self evaluating how much time he wanted to put into projects. And he looked at this thing and knew it was going to take years. And it did take years to put together. And he's like, now I ain't doing that. And then he went on to make Blade Runner. And that is the answer, Teoh, the movie that almost would have been made if he had had done that he might not have done Blade Runner with Eyes. Also an interesting tie in, because then we get Danny Villain Wave did the Blade Runner sequel, and now he's going to the Dune sequel. And so there's only
Chris Sully: 38:23
sort of touching
Matt Sully: 38:23
points. And the guys that Jodorowsky put together, some of the guys who put together effects and art went on to ah do alien because H. R. Geiger, you know, the guy does that I think is Norwegian or Swedish or something like that Does all those this weird art things were Tell skulls and basically the aliens. Yeah, as they look. Um, he was working on Dune Donna Russkies Dune and did a bunch of mock ups and stuff in artwork for that. And then because that went by the wayside, those guys had become buddies and went on to do alien together later on. So he he did. In effect, you know, at least bring some people together that went on to make great Scifi just wasn't his project.
Chris Sully: 39:09
That's really interesting. And that makes sense. You know, they maybe they learned a bunch of stuff from this experience, and maybe it took 36 years. But we'll finally get the film that we should have got back then.
Matt Sully: 39:20
Yeah, maybe you could. I want to keep going on about this. The documentary about the same time I feel like I should, because it's like, you watch this thing and you can kind of you see the sadness in the regret and all these guys because they were into this, they were They were young, like it was they were all in their twenties or something at the time, and they spent months like they all moved E Teoh to Paris, I think, or something to work together on this in this small area just hammering it out like day after day, putting together the artwork and all this sort of stuff to put together this massive package they were all into making this movie like they just knew it was going to be their dream come to life. And just to not have it happen. Jodorowsky. He wanted his son his actual son, to play Paul on. This kid was like, 12 or something. He Ah, he started him at the beginning. The project with a martial arts expert. Six hours a day seven days a week for years to train him so that when he went and they started filming, he would be the perfectly what tunes Paul, Trade Ease and the project ever got made.
Chris Sully: 40:31
That's crazy. I really is crazy. I wonder if any of that crew, uh, Sands, John Ross Key was involved in the new Duinen anyway will be interesting to see if there's any ties. Did they bring them in to work on it? Do they maybe bring them in his consultants? Given the amount of work that they had put into it back then, where some of them so excited about it back then and just the opportunity to work on it now, they'd be willing to do just about anything. I bet some of them are involved.
Matt Sully: 40:56
That would be nice. Oh, it doesn't, I think. Yes. So that was the thing I was thinking about when we talk about the music at the end of Lynch's of the music, and David Lynch's movie for Dune is all done by Toto Ah and ah, Jonah Ross Keys was all gonna be done by Pink Floyd like he had already worked, and that's how far he'd gotten with all this? Hey, he'd gotten them to agree that they were going to all the movie like, um, we weren't gonna get staying. We were going to get from Rolling Stones. Mick Jagger was gonna be in the movie. Salvador Dali was gonna be in the movie. Orson Welles was going to be in this movie. But anyway, he had assembled all this stuff and it was interesting and, you know, And after finishing watching that, I actually still don't think his movie would have been all that great. This this guy before was sort of lynching and similar where his his movies were very artsy and strange, and I think we probably would've got the same thing. So I don't think his movie, his version of Dune really would have been all that great either. I think he was also the wrong guy should direct. So in conclusion, we don't have the dune that everybody deserves and that everybody wanted. And I think hopefully ah, Danny is gonna going to give it to us, but who knows? Maybe he'll be just as cursed as every other.
Chris Sully: 42:11
I was gonna say I almost feel at this point that Maybe this whole movie will always be cursed. We'll see.
Matt Sully: 42:16
Yeah, I'd avoid it if I were a director like now. Because you don't want to be your flop. And then then it's confirmed. Yeah. This movie will always be cursed. Who knows?
Chris Sully: 42:26
Well, speaking of some of the names you just threw down, I think this would be a great place to insert our give away key word of the week and that give away keyword for use later Will tell you when I shot this down. Don't forget it. The keyword is ***Redacted. Yeah, he's
Matt Sully: 42:57
freaking weird in that movie, too.
Chris Sully: 42:59
Yep. And I
Matt Sully: 43:00
love making fun of Sting as much as everybody else because it's it's a great thing to do, but nobody is going to make funnest thing anymore than staying in this movie. Where he so over the top. Just stupid. And that outfit we comes out like that blue leather thong.
Chris Sully: 43:18
It is embarrassing. Yep. But he looked good. He was a great shape, I guess. Way to go, sting. Well, that was during his days of the like, our long yoga sex sessions that he's famously talked about. Stop. That's disgusting. All right, it's pitch time. Oh, boy, I'm gonna go. That's the time. I'm gonna go first. This time I'm gonna just tell you right now, you're all gonna be very disappointed in me. I, um I could not wrap my head around this at all. Other than what I'm going to give you here, right? Normally we come at you with original idea for some sort of retake sequel. Whatever I one word came to mind for all this. And that word is reboot. Start over. Take the framework of what could have been a great film fix what was wrong with it and deliver it to a new generation. 36 years later. That's my whole thing. Now I'm going to pretend like I do not know any of the information about the new dune that's coming for this. Instead, I looked at the framework of the original dune from 1984 and said if I were going to do this, how would I approach it? And I spent the majority of my time on re casting this film take a different direction at this whole thing. Now, before I tell you anything else, I would like to give you a warning. I like a little preface toe all my, ah, on my pitches. I know this film was based on the 1965 Frank Herbert novel of the same name, but I've never read the book. I'm not a book, a reader, while I'm sure that the adaptation was not 100% accurate to the book, especially since it sounds like the directors never even read the damn thing. Ah, and there are many fans out there who would scream, Why did you change this and why did you change that? And so on and so on? I have only the film as source material. I didn't watch those SciFi sifi shows. I didn't watch Jonah Russkies Dune, which I'm actually interested in seeing now. I didn't watch any of that. I am strictly going off the 84 dune. Um, I have that. That's my source mentor. That's it. I don't think I could get through that novel in months, much less a few hours of prep time for this podcast, anyway, even if I wanted to. So so here's what I did I? I I'm gonna lead with my director and stars, because again, this is where I spent most of my time. Director, I want Alfonzo Koran, that gravity I don't like his vision of. He uses the backdrop of space in gravity really well to tell the story. So this is someone who can merge the set with good acting. I think that movie is a prime example of that. I mean, the way they directed, I won't go into the whole thing. We go check out behind the scenes to grab it if you want to know more. So here's what I did. I picked the lead stars, the lead characters of the movie and recast. Um, so Paul is a trade. He's played by Colin MacLachlan. I'm gonna lean back to somebody had just talked about in another one. I want Nicholas Hoult to take over Kyle McLachlan's role. I think he's the right age. He's got that swagger, that scene on stage or on screen, and if he grows his hair out a little bit, he could play the role right. I don't know why I feel like that's necessary for the role. I just do Lady Jessica originally played by Francesca Anise. Uh, I want another one I've talked about before. Maybe everybody had heard Lena. He d Oh, yeah. I want her to come in. Just this person has to be tough. They have to be almost which like and she's the name that comes to mind right off the bat for me for that one, Lito. A trade ease originally played by Jurgen Prock. Now you mentioned him. I want Christian Bale in that role. Yeah, I think he'd be perfect. And imagine Christian Bale as Nicholas holds Father. It works. I could see this moving on. Gurney Halleck, originally played by Patrick Stewart in the 84 Doom. I'm going, I'm going out on a limb here. But I like this idea because of the just the way Patrick Stewart carried himself on screen. I want GM Carlo Esposito to play that role. I like his, um, methodical approach to characters, and I think that'd be great. The way trains a young Nicholas Hoult in this new one. Dr. Wellington. Yo, are you played by Dean Stockwell? I want to go with Bill Scars, guard who played Pennywise in the new adaptation of it. And it Chapter two. I think he's a great actor. He's a little crazy, a little crazy looking. And I think that's exactly what this role needs. Uh, Johnny Cheney. And remember how they said her name? Sean Young's character, Uh, which, by the way, she was robbed. She's beautiful. She We should have seen a lot more from her Jennifer Lawrence to play her role, which is interesting, cause I wrote that down, then realize that Jennifer Lawrence and Nicholas Holt had a thing in the X Men movies as a love interest in here. I've redone that for Dune. That was an accident. Um, Baron Vladimir Harkonnen, originally played by Kenneth MacMillan. Who? What else did he do? I want John Goodman to play that role. I know John Goodman has trimmed down over the years, but I want to see him put on the fat suit and go crazy for this one. I think he could do it. I think you'd be really good in the role. Fade as we've referenced many times, played by Sting. I'm gonna go out there again. Caleb Landry Jones, who is a young actor who is in get out and three billboards. Uh, he has this crazy look about his face, but he's great actor. You have to look him up. Caleb Landry Jones. I think he'd be perfect. Uh, glass. Ooh, Rob on It was fades, brother, the cousin or the nephew of the Baron. I'm going really far are there on this one Because and I'm ashamed I did this, but I Googled overweight actors cause I was trying to think of somebody to play this role. And I went down this rabbit hole with an actor. I've lived for years, and I didn't know that he had gone to this transformation. Ethan Suplee, known to be an overweight big factory, was in Ah, butterfly effect. My name is Earl. Oh, yeah, I like that guy. I love that guy. He's good and everything. And I interestingly enough, I think he was in David Lynch's new Twin Peaks. Siri's. I think I heard him talk about on a podcast. Apparently, he's been fighting weight his whole life again. I'm going down a rabbit hole here. Now he's ripped. He's been working out. He's put on all this muscle, he's and it looks great, but I think he could play that crazy nephew roll really well alongside Caleb Landry Jones. Liet kinds think I pronounce that right. Played by Max von Sydow, Ralph fines. And then finally, ah, Peter de Vries, originally played by Brad Dourif. Ben Foster needs to play that role from the mechanic. Is another dude great actor everything he's in. I hate him, but it's because he's such a good actor. He's creepy, A F, which is perfect for this film. So there is my cast. I've gone again. I would spend a lot of time on this because I think the strength of this film should rely on the sets, the wardrobe and the acting. And this is an all star cast right here, as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, I
Matt Sully: 50:37
didn't I didn't know Ben Foster's name, but I like him. I right at the one thing here it pops up is hell or high water. And I really like that movie.
Chris Sully: 50:44
I think creepy, and he's one of the first name that comes to mind. They just too good at it. So again, my pitch is not real original, but simply I want to fix what they screwed up in Dune 84. So here are my Here's my ideas. Um, purchase pitch is pretty simple. It's a reboot. Try it again with updated technology, a new cast and get to it. While the original dune spent the 1st 80% of the film setting things up in educating us all on who and where, everyone, it is focusing at times on actual thoughts of the characters and stories to help move that explanation along. Storytelling in films has evolved over the last 36 years. We spend the first few minutes of this reboot of Dune showing a very similar explanation of the planets and main characters included Uh. Then we get going. Storytelling graphics and simple on screen prompts can help tremendously and educating the audience about win and where we are. This new reboot will start a little earlier in Polytrack, these Life to show the training he went through and progression of his character in the film. The best stories told especially in an unknown setting, are the origin stories of the characters, and that is something that the original dune from 84 skimmed over with most of the major characters that, like a character development causes to not really understand Kyle McLachlan's version until well into the time jump on Arrakis. The same could be said for this love interest in the film originally portrayed by the gorgeous Sean Young. She was She was gorgeous, but we didn't know crap about her. They barely told us anything. The Onley reason we had any interest in her character was her beauty and the fact that Paul had dreams about her in advance. While you should retain those premonitions in this reboot, we need to get a rundown of her character. And the other inhabitants of Iraq is upon Paul's arrival honor ECUs. This could be done with a simple explanation from Cheney, played by Jennifer Lawrence, with flashbacks of their evolution shown on screen. The other big opportunity that could be updated and corrected with a reboot is this story of the Baron and his nephews. Once again, we were expected to understand, to test the Baron immediately in the 84 film, but the only thing we had to go off of was his looks and a few completely random acts of violence after his treatment. Let's see a bit of back story about this character and show a bit more why he evolved into this beast. His nephews could still remain fairly silent in the film, still not sure why they made that choice with Sting. But why? Let's see some character development for them and let the audience have some feelings before were expected to hate them. I I have said this so many times before, and I'm going out on another rant here, but I love John Sweden. As a director, I fell in love with everything he did, starting with Buffy the Vampire Slayer, because no one does character development like Joss Sweden. And while I didn't pegged him to direct this cause, I don't think it's quite his style. He gets that part right. Bring him on is ah, consultant. If you need to to help write that story, Teoh to develop these characters does he can do it, especially in a scifi setting. So, sadly, that's all I have. I just want to fix the original. I feel it can be done, and there is your cast and your ways to fix it. It's a totally different pitch for me compared to normal, but that's what I got.
Matt Sully: 54:01
Well, it. Actually, Ah matches my pitch quite well because while you spent time casting night and do any casting it all, I, uh I spend all my time right at the story interest at. And, um, I only just now chose a director as you were talking. I've done that in the past episodes a little bit. Yeah, and and, ah, so there's a few things. First stuff, a doubt I'll say this much on this podcast. But if there's a movie and were in total agreement here, that deserves a true reboot, its doom I feel like this story is epic. It's interesting. It has all the drama, espionage, action and romance of truly great movies and is perfect for this ever widening embrace from modernizes for both fantasy and science fiction. I mean, people are ready for this movie. They're ready for epics that they've Already. Audiences have told Hollywood that we're willing to go see endless lords of the Rings movies. So, yes, all of this stuff is totally appropriate. And, yeah, give us more. Do I feel like dune? Not only, ah is villain way of making the right choice of making this to movies, but I could totally see it being a trilogy. Uh, he is also actually going along with Ah, What I think would be a good idea is he's gonna make a television series to go with it. Um and ah, so that is gonna be very interesting, because when the more I thought about this world and all the things happening, I realized not only was it very, very interesting, but we're just scratching the surface like we're literally only talking about the conflict on this one planet of the entire universe, of which is basically known because that we talk about the emperor of the universe. Ah, where I feel like his part needs to be brought down, especially in in what I'm looking at is the first movie. Um, I think Dune as the focus still makes sense for the first movie and probably for most of it. But I feel like if you're going to branch out at all, there's so much opportunity. I mean, this is basically another Star Wars world where you have endless stories to tell here because we can reinvent. You can event all new people all new races, all new struggles and planets and all this sort stuff. There's a lot of material here to work with, and, uh, they need to do that. So get a snack because I have written out.
Chris Sully: 56:31
So no
Matt Sully: 56:32
movie one. Ah, take a bathroom break, cause Well ah, my brother there went and cast the entire movie. I wrote the whole damn thing. I won't apologize
Chris Sully: 56:46
here. We g o
Matt Sully: 56:48
Yeah. Here we go. All right. Uh, I do think this is probably needs to be at least two, if not three movies. I didn't write all three movies. Here's the 1st 1 We start by showing Iraq. It's like a k A dune and the extensive mining operations there. The procedure and equipment is efficient and customized for the desert planet and its indigenous dangers. The machine noises muffled and programmed to have erratic timing and is guarded by the heart Conan Army. Then we see a handful of frame and the planet's human inhabitants attempting to sabotage and mining vehicle. They're caught strapped with thumpers and flung into the desert. The Freemen, glowing blue eyes wide and panic, attempt to flee. But giant Sam words sand worms emerge and eat the saboteurs whole one for him and his left visibly older than the others. Though his eyes are brighter, his hands air out as if ordering the worms to a halt, and for a brief moment they obey. Then one of the heart Conan soldier shoots the man in the leg, and he falls to the sand and paying the worms. Hesitation is over, and they eat the old Freeman man as they descend back into the dunes. As we track the freshly mined Malange Spice back to the processing facility, we discover that spice harvesting is behind schedule and the emperor is becoming impatient with constant delays. This information goes through the Heart Conan chain of command, showing us the key figures in the heart Conan House, fade, rebellion and finally the Baron, the baroness, seen beating a friend and servant at the palace. We see that many timid looking from and are working a servants at the palace, the Barron explains to his nephews faded riband that their post on dune is in no way guaranteed. If there to be the one and only caretakers of the spice, then they must create a royal union in marriage to the emperor's daughter or to take it by force. The Baron kills the friend and servant to prove they're the rightful rulers of Iraq. It's We go to another planet outpost on the shores of an arid lake, Paula, trade eases, staring at the pool of water at the center of the once grand body of water. He's approached by his teachers and caretakers, the men tat through for how it and Gurney Halleck. I'm for this emerging Duncan, Idaho, into gurneys character. I feel like one of the things we need to do is slim People down. They discuss how planets can change, sometimes taking life, sometimes making it. But change is both inevitable and necessary. We learn that Paul Self is in self proclaimed exile from the royal trade ease compound but has actually been sent away from his own protection for his own protection from the bitter Bennett Jezreel. Witches who loathe his existence is being against their plans. Onley. His mother, Jessica, has a been a Jesuit also have been a Jesuit, is able to keep his whereabouts secret and safe from her, which sisters. As word comes in that another attack is underway. Gurney argues that Paul's mother would be unhappy to discover how involved the Duke's son is in the planet Skirmishes. Paul says he refuses to be useless to his people and that Gurney would be there to protect him anyway. The to go into battle with other trading soldiers, easily defeating the local uprising. Paul, however, is brought to the ground. Combat. Losing his weapons, he shouts in anger in the ground, rumbles beneath his Attackers. Other soldiers come to aid him. When the war is over, polls summoned back to his parents at the Traders Palace. His journey over Kaledin shows us that the plan is lush in the waters. They're plentiful. Paul admires at all with an optimistic grin at the Royal House, we learned that Paul's mother, Jessica, is pregnant with the sisters, since this girl is what the been a Jesuit desired from Jessica. All along, she felt it was safe for Paul to return. In addition, Paul's father, the Duke, tells him all that the emperor has selected house the traders to take over spice mining from harsh help. How house hard Conan, They're excited for the opportunity and what it may mean for their houses future but worry the heart Conan's will not give up control so easily faded ribbon or visiting the barren heart cone and now back on their homeworld, Gedi prime the nephews air. Angry over the loss of their rule on Dune, the baron assures the boys that he has plans to regain their palace on Iraq. It's but concede the bloodlust in their eyes. He sends him back to doom to aid the trade he's in, quelling the firm and resistance to the mining operations. Paul in the family adjust to life on Dune Paul's often joining men and the operations obsessing over the spice, the worms, the desert and the Freemen people. He befriends a servant named Chani. She tells him how the friend and have lived on doing for centuries, given long life by the spice, a gift in exchange, his caretakers for the worms to some of their people can control through a union of the mind. The mining operations air disruption to the harmony of the planet, which is why they're desperate to see it halted, though they lack the power to do so, given their weakness against the royal houses, armies, the firm and are forced either live in hiding or directly work for their lords. They're happy that the traders treat them better than the heart Conan. But they would still prefer an evacuation of the planet so the Freeman can return to life before Chani sees Paul's obsession with her people and appears to be using it to gain knowledge of the trade, ease and sway pole to the firm and cause, she repeatedly asked, he arranged a meeting between the Duke and the firm and leader so a peaceful agreement could be found. The Duke Here's that Freeman Battalion is making its way towards several miners and that faded ribbon around their way to intercept Chani being bags polls to go so he might negotiate a peace or see that there is little bloodshed there. Paula manages to stop the outright slaughter of the frame and by the heart Conan nephews, resulting in a scuffle between the royal houses. Instead, Paul's injured and returns to his quarters. Jessica Loose looks after Paul but is often called away by the Benesch Ezra's there, caring for her during her own advance pregnancy, Chani fills in, and while Paul heels, they become lovers. More attacks take place. Miners air killed the Duke is furious. The Freemen, but with Paul's council, requests the firm and leader to come to the palace. Preparations are made for the visit with a focus on security. The Baron Heart Conan tells his nephews that his playing is coming to fruition, and then her Conan assassins will intercept the firm and party and go into the palace in their stead to kill the Duke. Jessica and other been a Jesuit detecting foil the Baron's plans, but only know that the firm and men were there to kill the Duke. Not that they were actually her Conan and disguised the Duke. Now certain that the Freemen are only violent animals, declares war and the Iraqis people and expels all the firm and servants from the palace. Paul is conflicted, angry over the faux from an assassination attempt, but has fallen from the firm and servant following for the firm and servant. In a surprise to everyone, the Duke proposes an alliance with our cones to defeat the frame and once and for all, and the Baron agrees, Paul reluctantly goes to war. Initial battles demonstrate the heart, Conan and the trade. He's fighting styles and show scenes of unified attacks. Paul even saves fade from an explosion. They both bring down a sand worm, not knowing it was just a baby forming a loose camaraderie. The Ben, a Jesuit, see the coming together of the houses as part of their vision, and it must be solidified by the marriage of Jessica's unborn daughter to one of our Komen's. This is initially to be fade or a band. Had Paul been a girl, as they expected, but the timetable had to shift somewhat to have Jessica's daughter take Pulse Place. They informed Jessica that they could speed the growth of the child of Jessica consumes unrefined spice, something only hurt people can withstand. Jessica complies, knowing that she might be carrying the quiz. It's had a wreck, the ultimate being. You will fulfill the destiny of bringing universal power to the Bennet Jesuits. The Freemen have gone into hiding Spice Productions, meeting demand, and there is a relative peace between the royal houses. But Jessica's new power has allowed her to revisit her thoughts around what she perceived as the from an assassination attempt on the Duke. She realizes now that they were hard cone and men, not from, and she wants to tell the Duke the truth. But the bandage Azar insists that such news ruined their plans. Jessica tells him their plans were wrong and she's worried for her family. She goes to tell the Duke, but news comes in from our Conan scouts that a massive from an army has assembled far away, shouting for the duke's head. Arrogantly, the duke gathers all his troops on the coordinates they were given, but it's empty. They discovered too late that thumpers air set all around them. Underneath the sand, worms from all directions show up and consumed the majority of the Treaties Army. Meanwhile, there are Conan troops attacks the palace, taking it with these. Paul has stayed behind to protect the palace in his pregnant mother, but they're overrun. Then Chani emergencies from a secret entrance, and Paul is forced to believe the former firm and servant that she is here to help them escape. She and some of the other friend and had been hiding out to eavesdrop on the traders troop movements so that our people could avoid detection before disappearing. Fade confronts Paul and ends up looking the other way. So he can leave a handful of troops escape with Paul and Jessica, and they eventually emerged in the cave system among thousands of friend and far more than anyone knew existed. The her Conan's have complete control of the palace. The rule over rackets renewed. Paul learns of his father's death and meets the truth from and leader all now aware that the fake Furman leader was a heart Conan assassin. They form an alliance. Paul swearing, vengeance on House are Conan, he shouts in anger and the walls of the cave rumble. That's that's movie one. Yeah, it's pretty cool. I tried. I tried to make some things different where I don't like that we are immediately. You're supposed to hate the her cone, and I want them to be real. And you'd put touched on that, too. I like the concept of Of Fade and Paul forming this sort of loose friendship where we can play off of that, especially later on when they do actually fight stuff. I'm trying to slim it down to the focus of the Freemen, where you were doing that to let's play up them. They're an important role in all this and, ah the Bennett Jesuits. Basically, I'm making them where they're kind of. The witches are like the good and the bad. Like they're they're both like, the kind of switch hands basically, but that But they're all selfish in their own motivations. They have a plan, they want to stick to that plan. And so they try and manipulate things. Which is true to what I've read about their, uh, their characters and their people
Chris Sully: 1:6:01
now. And your story is much easier toe follow, even though I'm still confused by the names of some of the groups and the people I followed what you just gave us. Ah, and it's the setting is trimmed down as well as the story eso you don't have to go all over the universe to follow this and that. And that's why you break it into multiple films. Still, like I like where you left off. Because knowing what I saw in the original dune, that's where it started to really get going. So well, now we have a second movie to look forward to. That we know is gonna have to kick as battle scenes. Yeah.
Matt Sully: 1:6:34
Oh, no, it's gonna be too, like I tried to get some action in this energy. Is it? Like I want this to be a sci fi action sort of thing in there? That's why I start with, Ah, minor battle. Um, we have some some fighting in there. The the with the frame. And I am the ARCA. Like I tried to give it everything and then, yeah, like, movie to would be more his, um, communing with the frame and the training I still think is a big part of that, Um, and not so much in that whole weirding thing they had, like, I still want him to have that power, But But in training, everybody, I want that to be more traditional fighting styles, and they could maybe figure out how to make weapons. But then I also want them to concentrate on using the worms. I also wanted to make it to where the worms can be killed. Like that whole thing. We're basically they're just they shoot them like it's like shooting at Godzilla where, you know, you bring in all the tanks and just nothing affects him. I think that's kind of a cop out. And if you're going to do that if you have control over Godzilla, then why are you sending in thousands of men? Just take Godzilla and go stop the place. You know what's the point? If you have these worms that are basically invincible
Chris Sully: 1:7:45
than just take one giant warm and eat the whole place. I think what we have here is ah is a first for the podcast. We're not that far into it. But we have pitched two pitches that together are one mega solely pitch. I agree. Yeah, because you did touch on the things I did in my fix. The original. And I've come with this casting. So based on your story, Nicholas Hoult and Caleb Landry Jones will if you'd but turns out they have a little bit of a friendship going. Yeah, I I did this and we're going to see a lot more Jennifer Lawrence. Action. I I like. Yeah, I think this works. I think we did it. Ah, we did. It shows
Matt Sully: 1:8:28
over way, went ahead and took care of this dune problem for you. I did actually pick a director. Um, that was my impromptu director. I chose Alejandro and your Ito.
Chris Sully: 1:8:41
I thought about him uh, I
Matt Sully: 1:8:43
would love to see I love his style, like especially with, like, the Revenant, where I feel like his world building, um, is very realistic. And that's one of the things I think two is. Don't over do Dune with all the costumes and the fanfare and all that. One of the things that I think, um, obviously it's gonna be epic still, but I think it could be very grounded, Um, in stuff we can relate to and when things nobody really talks about is that their society is, ah, far more in touch with fantastical sort of things rather than the computers. They don't say this in the movie, but read their computers air basically banned. Uh, they don't do anything based on computers, which is why they have the whole min tat species. There's those guys that are basically human computers. Ah, and they're supposed to calculate all the surface stuff. And so it opens up to why we have these sort of which people and these,
Chris Sully: 1:9:48
you know,
Matt Sully: 1:9:49
uh, everybody's such an oddball is because we have to serve, embrace, uh, this fantasy service stuff because we can't rely on, you know, computers and logic and all that sources and and that to me, if anything doesn't take you into the future, it takes you under the past where things there are simpler there, more raw. And I think I think the visuals of dune should be that where we're looking more and you know, like feudal times. Oh, are Ah, you know, pioneer Times or whatever. You can combine it all, but it should be. It should be far more Raul and less polished, I
Chris Sully: 1:10:25
think. And I think you can overwhelm your audience with visuals, or you can overwhelm your audience with story and characters. But if you do both, you get what the original 84 do. Inglis, look. What? Look what the emcee you did. They told this huge, gigantic story with all these details and the the Infinity gauntlet and the gym with stones. But they took 24 films to do it. Yeah, you they did the long con. You can't do that in a 2.5 3 hour film. So you think you could pick one or the other to your point, simplify some things and don't overwhelm the audience if you want the story to go on
Matt Sully: 1:11:08
Yeah, the whole bit with an emperor and stuff and from his We don't even need him. Yeah, like
Chris Sully: 1:11:14
it was like way he
Matt Sully: 1:11:16
said. He's throwing. And that whole the weird alien things that do the folding space and stuff.
Chris Sully: 1:11:23
Yeah, don't That's really cool. And it's interesting,
Matt Sully: 1:11:27
but it doesn't deserve screen time.
Chris Sully: 1:11:29
Yeah, but why?
Matt Sully: 1:11:30
It's a It's a waste of everybody's time. Agreed. That's cool, but it's one of those things that you know doesn't actually need any screen time.
Chris Sully: 1:11:36
You know, another comparison to this, and I thought about it when I started watching Dune. Ah, to backtrack a bit was game of Thrones. When I started watching Game of Thrones, I felt lost for the 1st 6 or seven episodes, maybe the whole first season, because I can't follow these houses and names until you do the character development. And after Season one, I felt like understood a lot of the characters and season one DVD box set, which I own actually came with a family tree of all the houses. That's when it started to come together and make sense to me. So I needed this. I needed a frickin supplement what he called a supplemental guide to understand the show. That's too much. Luckily for game of Thrones, they were able to do that over multiple seasons, much like the long Con of the M. See you again. If we're in a movie with 2.5 3 hours, you're gonna have to find a better way to educate me on what's going on and keep my attention. Yeah,
Matt Sully: 1:12:31
that's right. Yeah, you're right. And that makes sense. Yeah, you need it in a TV series to take time with a sort sort of story. Or you need those 20 form who fee serve. Whatever happened, it was, um, and and plus, people become invested like it's amazing that game of Thrones is a successful with everyone because of that confusion. And I know everybody was struggling with the same thing I like. We'd watch an episode. I'd like Who is that guy? And luckily they just start killing everybody, and we're like, Oh, good, I want to worry about cross him out the list down to like five people. So now I can learn people's names. You can't do that with 11 movie. You can't try and give us the entire history of of the universe and all this important stuff because it it results in David Lynch's doing. It was just not good. All right, so we do have a new dune, another dune coming out, and that is with Danny. Villain Wave. Here's the synopsis. Okay. Feature adaptation of Frank Herbert science fiction novel about the son of a noble family entrusted with the protection of the most valuable asset and most vital element in the galaxy. Not a good description, but whatever.
Chris Sully: 1:13:47
It doesn't tell us anything except for what we knew from the original dude. Yeah,
Matt Sully: 1:13:53
it's got Timothy Shallow May Ah, from Call me by your name In 2017 he was an interstellar and 2014 Little women Lady bird Ah, Rebecca Ferguson, who is in Dr Sleep and the mission Impossible's fallout on rogue nations. She's also girl on the train. I like her election due to, uh, Zan Dia who you're a fan of that I like her too. She was in Spider Man homecoming far from home. The greatest showman she was also, if she also is in the Euphoria TV series on HBO, I think I have not watched that yet matter. It's on my list. She was on the Oei Siri's, which I was a big fan of. She was great in there. I think she didn't come around till season two, but that's gone. Sad face Um, Oscar Isaac, which is? He's Poe, Dameron and the latest Star Wars movies. And he's an X marking a 2014 X Men apocalypse. Basically, every movie you go to, he's there in some way inside Llewyn Davis 2013 yeah, I like him, too. Yeah, Jason Momoa is in this day. Batista Josh Brolin, Stellan Scars guard Javier Bardem. There's there's this'll casting that is
Chris Sully: 1:15:08
Wow, Massive. I didn't know Stellan Skarsgard isn't. And here I picked Bill scars guard to be in my version. I wonder if he plays the same character that I called scars guard for I
Matt Sully: 1:15:18
don't know. I think Josh Brolin is gonna be a gurney. Actually, I think you were
Chris Sully: 1:15:22
choosing No, I used G and Carlo Esposito for that role. Boy, we couldn't have been more different in our casting on that. Me
Matt Sully: 1:15:28
and, uh, really, Villanueva, I like Josh plays in this, and so you'll notice that um So Timothy Shalem is gonna be Paul and Ah, this kids 15. 1600. How old is he,
Chris Sully: 1:15:42
Tang? Is he that young?
Matt Sully: 1:15:44
I don't really know. Uh, he's probably a little old, but hey is much younger then. Ah, then I think Kyle MacLachlan Waas when he was doing it,
Chris Sully: 1:15:57
you feel like called the Comack Laughlin had to have been in his late twenties, mid to late twenties,
Matt Sully: 1:16:03
probably mid twenties. But ah, that is more accurate to the book. Apparently in the book, the the main, uh, kids like Paul, the royal houses and all that. They're all supposed to be, like, 15 or something.
Chris Sully: 1:16:19
Oh, okay. Shalem a was actually born in 95. Okay, so he's 20. Faster day. Oh, is he? Yeah, she's right. Exactly. So But he looks so young. He does. He Ah, much like Ezra Miller. Ezra Miller looks way younger than he really is.
Matt Sully: 1:16:37
Hey, all right, well, closer that I don't know what it was, but calm a Glock and like, Yes, he's youthful looking, but somehow in that movie, he still looked to me like he was in his thirties. It just has that sort of adult presence about him. I like him a lot, but I feel like his time with David Lynch has has misspent Anak ter of of some value that could have done some whole different spectrum of movies. You know, it's
Chris Sully: 1:17:05
funny, is Comack. Laughlin is now Ah, a doctor on 1/2 hour comedy series with the mom from Everybody Loves Raymond. And he's really funny, I
Matt Sully: 1:17:15
could see. Is he have, like, a dry delivery, absolutely dusty up? Yeah, okay, that he actually probably would do well in comedy. That's cool. This is directed by Dany Villanueva. Apparently, I love seeing his name. Um, he did Blade Runner 2049 2017. Arrival in 2016. Big fan. Yeah, of, ah, arrival. I think that movie is just boy that spells closer to get to be in just the perfect SciFi movie. Sicari on 2015 Enemy prisoners, both of those in 2013 good movies like This guy makes good stuff that makes sense.
Chris Sully: 1:17:51
Why there's the Josh Brolin tie in the Sicari. Oh, I didn't realize that.
Matt Sully: 1:17:56
So he also helped write the script for this. Ah, he doesn't do ah, a lot of writing it like in those movies I mentioned he didn't work on it all. I don't think he did do some writing for his movie Maelstrom in 2000 but that's about it. Ah, the other writers involved here are Eric Roth, who did Forrest Gump, The Postman, the Horse Whisper, The Insider, Ali, which is one of my favorite movies. Munich. The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, which might be a misstep. But then he also did. A star is born the 2018 version, which is fantastic.
Chris Sully: 1:18:34
Wow, it's a talented writer.
Matt Sully: 1:18:36
He's got some talent. I'm I'm hoping that so now listen to the other writer involved your John Spates who did Prometheus 2012 Doctor Strange and 2016 passengers, also in 2016. And it's also working on the upcoming Van Helsing and Justice Lee Dark movies. Ah, and he's gonna be involved in the Dune. Siri's doomed The Sisterhood, which villain waves also gonna be involved in a swell has it producer, I think. I mean, John Space has the sci fi chops. He's got thes um, you know, he's probably throw out some some good scenarios for some SciFi. Well, Eric Roth there, I think has the drama down. And that could be a very good combination of writers. Yeah, like I'm I'm interested. You've got me there. Yeah. This is supposed to come out December 18th of 2020
Chris Sully: 1:19:33
A. M. Seems possible. I haven't heard any reference to pushing this one back. Ah, but ah, still could end up in 2021. Yeah.
Matt Sully: 1:19:46
The spin off series. Ah, doomed. The sisterhood is set to be on HBO, Max. This is a prequel to the 2020 movie, um, focused on the bin a Jesuit, those which which girls that we're talking about and that's to be produced by Villain. Wave, I think is supposed to direct the first episode as well, but that's interesting. Like I said, this is a world where you have so many possibilities, so many stories to tell I timing wise is kind of interesting. I suppose they need the success of the movie too. Then fuel the Siri's
Chris Sully: 1:20:23
g o Either way with that, I think, but it's very interesting, I hope. I hope that they finally do this right in the m. C. You you had the movies and then you have a TV show with barely a tie in like, ah, like a tiny sliver of Agent Coulson and the rare appearance by someone like Ah, Nick Fury. And then they've also tried it with Star Wars but no overlap. And all between the characters in Man DeLorean and the film franchise. Why? Why not have Contentville in a wave of finally tie these two worlds together? This could be the first time ever we truly get this. Yeah, I don't I don't know. I mean, I don't
Matt Sully: 1:21:09
always one of the things that I I kind of liked about Amanda Lorien and, um, Rogue. Juan, for the most part, is that we we weren't just focused on the same people we knew. Like that's why I think that you're it's a handicap when you when you just need to. Here is a crutch, like you're just always talking about the Skywalker's or whatever, like that's great, But there's other people in this universe. Can we talk about anyone else? And, like I, I want to hear other people's stories. I want to know about things that are happening that have nothing to do with the Skywalker's and all that sort stuff. So I'm open like whatever you want to do in this, but and I think there's an advantage here where we know everything about Star Wars that has been part of our life forever. So those characters, we know them so well. Very few people know anything about Dune and these characters, and so you can literally take the most obscure character in Dune and make him the star of a show. And nobody would know that it's there was never a star in the book or anything like that. This is all new, and I think that's exciting because it is. It's still despite being 50 60 years old. This material for most people, I would say, is very fresh.
Chris Sully: 1:22:34
Willett's what Hollywood is always foaming at the mouth, for You always want the next Star Wars the next Harry Potter, the next M. C. U. I mean, those are the Those are the backbone of that economy,
Matt Sully: 1:22:45
and I think they've been people have been itching to try and make Dune this big thing for so long. It just hasn't worked out. And so maybe finally, it's the time where it will work out. We'll find out there is a synopsis available on the Siri's told through the eyes of a mysterious order of women known as the Been a Jesuit. Given extraordinary abilities by their mastery of the body and the mind the bandage, Ezra expertly weaved through the feudal politic politics and intrigue of the Imperium, pursuing plans of their own that will ultimately lead them to the enigmatic planet Arrakis, known to its inhabitants. As do there's no casting, no release date pretty wide open. If Dune is a huge success, especially since he's already agreed, it's gonna be two movies. Then I think it will be just fine. I think people will be interested in that series, and it's gonna be an HBO one, right? So you said
Chris Sully: 1:23:38
HBO Max, which is their new service that debuts late. May. Um, I'm interested to see how that works. You already have HBO go, and now they want you to get this HBO Max. It's an additional streaming service, but they're bringing together products or shows and movies from many studios. It's not just HBO created content. The first advertisements for it started going out just this week, with some television shows that show all the different licences that will be a part of it. Very interesting. I think this is going to be that breaking point. A Sfar streaming services finally that we've been getting close to when people are going to start making decisions on what they have and what they get rid of.
Matt Sully: 1:24:19
Yeah, well, And I was gonna say that HBO has been quite good at producing good Siri's and supporting them and giving them a good budget and and everything so. But if this is not to be a direct HBO production, then I don't know there
Chris Sully: 1:24:38
is some original content as well coming there. I don't know how they decide what goes to Max and what goes to go. If they take the stuff off, go and move it to me. I don't know. I'm confused by the whole thing, but we'll find out.
Matt Sully: 1:24:49
Yeah, All right, Let's move on to some trivia here. Some things that you probably didn't know about Dune since maybe it didn't know attitude
Chris Sully: 1:24:59
it all. We've gotten some nice comments on Twitter from people of the liking, this segment, and and again, I a lot of this is pulled from IMDb and readily available, but who scrolls down there and takes a look at it. So I think I think this is a fun segment. I'm glad we're doing this. And I hope we continue
Matt Sully: 1:25:16
well and I try and filter it to trick. Take the stuff I find most interesting. There's a lot in there, but not all of it's interesting, some of its repetitive. Yeah, so this is Ah ah! Our show is a good filtering system for all the IMDB tribute.
Chris Sully: 1:25:31
For sure, I'm gonna kick it off Even All right. Writer and director David Lynch turned down Star Wars Episode six Return of the Jedi I in 1983 to directed this movie, telling George Lucas It's your thing. It's not my thing. Wow, what would that have looked like?
Matt Sully: 1:25:52
Well, the, uh, the ah e walks probably would have been disgusting little creatures. They would have been lovable. There had been Are you things
Chris Sully: 1:26:02
I cat duct taped to a rat running through the forest? Yeah,
Matt Sully: 1:26:05
yeah. More duct tape would have been involved in like, plus stools of some kind, The suits worn by the guild members, where body bags that were found in a disused fire station dating back to the early 19 twenties. The bags had actually been used several times, something that was kept from the cast members until after shooting
Chris Sully: 1:26:24
was not cool.
Matt Sully: 1:26:27
That isn't cool. I wonder if that was a private, sick joke from Lynch himself. He knew
Chris Sully: 1:26:32
hot and used body bags. Ah, in, um, Twin Peaks. There was a whole thing about one character that was dead. Wow, Dude messed up in the WTF again. Original director Ridley Scott left the production after his older brother suddenly passed away. Scott wanted to start working as soon as possible, but Dune would take far too long to reach production. Scott decided to leave the project in favor of Blade Runner, 1982. Good call Scott
Matt Sully: 1:27:02
and then The Blade Runner's This sort of like, uh, birthplace for a lot of people for, like, SciFi movies and how it's supposed to be done and stuff. And so that that is a very important film that needs to be made. And I need to be made by Ridley Scott. Yucky had a He's a good job during the movies. Original release Cheat sheets explaining much of the movie setting, and it's more obscure vocabulary were handed out to movie goers at some theaters.
Chris Sully: 1:27:32
You're not gonna believe this. I didn't read that line. One of the thoughts for my pitch and I thought this was original was toe hand out, something to people that went to the movies as a companion guide to explain prior to the movie. I'd be
Matt Sully: 1:27:47
so concerned as soon as I receive that paper, though,
Chris Sully: 1:27:50
that's why I dismissed it. Same thought, Yeah, yeah, as soon as I thought I was like, Oh, that's dumb. People would hate that. They did it. Despite being considered a financial flop, it is the David Lynch movie to make the most money in its initial box office run and the only one to break into the top five in its opening weekend. It was number two, as you mentioned before.
Matt Sully: 1:28:16
Yeah, I just don't think any of us stuff hits wide release anymore. Like all the movies I've ever watched, it has been a video like, I don't think I ever went to the theater to see a David Lynch movie. I yeah, so either. Yeah, so I don't even know release wise defeat. It's probably one of those where He just doesn't just a couple of a couple of in years, but it's not a big wide release. The first movie Oh so Dune is the first movie to feature a computer generated human form for those body shields. So if you remember, there's a scene Ah, with, uh, McLachlan and Patrick Stewart and Patrick Stewart, Who they hit this little button on their belt and it puts the syrup. Ah, blocky Pixley sort of, uh, shield around their entire Selves. And I guess it's pretty cool at the time. It's lame, is hell now,
Chris Sully: 1:29:11
uh, it was like Tron meets roadblocks. Yeah, yeah, that was for C G. I was honestly kind of shocked that that was in the film. I don't remember seeing that at all, and I was like, Wow, for that time. That was impressive. Yeah. Ah! While shooting on location in Mexico, filming came nearly to a halt. When most of the cast and crew came down with Montezuma's revenge, the studio had to build a full cafeteria large enough to accommodate the entire cast and crew for every meal, as well as import all the food from the US to keep the movie on schedule day. I imagine that's Ah, who pricey.
Matt Sully: 1:29:49
I imagine that's a regular thing. Now, if anybody sheets in Mexico and that's you talk about the budget like I think that's why they chose Mexico is because it was the only one that they could afford to get in those studios and build all those giant things and anybody else they would have done it. They were. They went over budget anyway. But, um, they never would have got it going in shooting anywhere else. David Lynch was originally signed to do two Sequels based on Frank Herbert's novels Dune, Messiah and Children of Dune. The box office failure ensured that the plans never came to fruition.
Chris Sully: 1:30:26
No kidding. The cow that Rabban eats is a riel frozen dead cow only rips that year off of it and start snowing on it. That that dude was messed up in the head.
Matt Sully: 1:30:39
That is nasty one. Soon one scene called for Duke Lito Jurgen Prague, now to be strapped to a black stretcher and drug. During one take, a high powered, bold position above pregnant exploded due to heat raining down molten glass. Remarkably, Prague and I was able to free himself from the stretcher. Moments before Glass fused itself to the place he had been strapped during the filming of the dream sequence, the Baron Kenneth MacMillan approached Lito, who had a special apparatus attached to his face. The green smoke would emerge from his cheek on the barren, scratched it. Although thoroughly tested, the smoke gave Prague now first and second degree burns on his cheek. This scene is not in either version of the U. S.
Chris Sully: 1:31:21
My God, he's lucky he walked away from this film. Yeah, Wow! Contrary to popular rumors, writer and director David Lynch made no other version besides the theatrical cut, which has Wow, that has become a big thing these days. So it sounds like it's been around for a while. The whole, like, released the Snyder cut that kind of crap. Well, I
Matt Sully: 1:31:44
remember Ah, rumors of like a 12 hour version of this years ago, and that's all it was. It was rumors and and then I because it was one of those just weird things. Like again, this this movie just has its own weird thing persona, sort of, you know, bubble of oddities or around it, and that was one of the things I remember people saying over and over again, Is there there is some cut out there that's like, 8 to 12 hours or something from what I've read, Ah, the uncut version, like all his filming was four hours. He wanted to get it down to a three hour movie, which I could I could see being done. But they insisted that his max ah, allowed time was like two. It was something very specific, like two hours and 17 minutes. And that's exactly how long the movie, like he took up every single second he was allowed to take. Wow. Um, in some of the research here, I did find there is, um you can find it on YouTube. Is Sean Young? Ah does this behind the scenes montage? She's got all this footage from her with her own camera, Um, where she just kind of goes along and catches people in all the different actors in different times. It's not like an in depth documentary or something, but it's kind of charming, and she you know her. She does her voice narration over the whole thing and stuff, and it's nice, um, and you can find that on YouTube. I'll probably put that up on Twitter link to that. But if you start with that and then watch, there's several other short documentaries and stuff. Ah, that are pretty interesting about the movie. And just to get to see who was involved in how they reflect back on it enough. Um, this didn't do well, and it kind of, you know, tainted a lot of people's, ah, place in Hollywood and, uh, so they don't want to talk about it. But when they do, you can you can see there's some hurt there and it's it's it's interesting just to see all these people talk about this project. They went so wrong.
Chris Sully: 1:33:56
Yeah. I mean, you don't know when you're working on a project. I hear actors talking about that all the time. They have to trust the director to pull it all together. The editors eso they must have all thought they were in the midst of another Star Wars at that time. Uh, which Star Wars was still becoming Star Wars at that time as well, The first movie had been outs. 2nd 1 was out. Even we even made the reference to Ah, he almost directed return of the Jet I. And instead he went over and did this. So they must have thought they were all in the midst of the next big thing. And then it fizzled and died. And
Matt Sully: 1:34:29
and by all accounts, it really should have been something big. But yeah, Like I said, Look, maybe we'll get that now. And maybe Dune and all its weirdness and obscurity will be such a household name now that people generations now we'll be talking about Dune and all the spinoffs and all the characters and stuff, just like they did with Star Wars. Or it will be a total failure. And a villain wave will have to scurry off into the darkness tail between his legs and be like David Lynch never directed a major blockbuster movie again.
Chris Sully: 1:35:05
I mean, I'd say we'll find out soon, but it might still be a while before we find out this is not one of those. They're gonna hurry up and send to ah, home release. They're gonna wait.
Matt Sully: 1:35:16
All right. Well, that is it for the dune episode. Thank you, everyone. We really appreciate all the support. Ah, you've been great of people on Twitter. Ah, and just having people come and comment about the show and and listening to it and ah, we've gotten great reviews. If you want to go out and, uh, give us another review, that be fantastic. I'll be like the uber driver five stars all the way. You got to give me that five stars, right? I'll give you five stars if you give me five stars. I love that interaction. All right. Thanks a lot. Everybody
Chris Sully: 1:35:50
nerds your way.