Movie Retakes - Snowpiercer

All aboard for the Movie Retakes podcast! Brothers Matt and Chris Sully talk Snowpiercer & the upcoming Snowpiercer series (TNT), then pitch their own Retake concepts. Don't be left out in the cold! Grab a protein block and settle in for some fun on another great episode of Movie Retakes!

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Chris Sully:   0:14
In the cinematic sea of prequel Sequels, reboots and re imaginings. The Movie Retakes podcast considers the merits and desires for Hollywood's new takes on her beloved movie classics. Brothers Matt and Chris Sully examine the latest Retake franchises, pitch their own original, retake visions and share their love for the movies that made him. This is Big Brother Chris Sully,

Matt Sully:   0:35
and this is Sully at the half scale, Matt Sully were so happy to have you come back for another quality episode of movie retakes. This one is all about Snowpiercer

Matt Sully:   1:02
and we're not going to talk about just the movie. We're gonna talk a little bit about the upcoming television show as well with Jennifer Connelly, the lovely Jennifer Connelly. And, Ah, if you haven't done any subscribing or liking or clicking on all the positive ways that you can do that, please reach out and do that on YouTube, Twitter and all the other You know where you are all the podcast places. Make sure you subscribe because you want to get each one of these episodes. 

Chris Sully:   1:29
Like my brother said. We have a Snowpiercer focused episode for you today and during the podcast will answer some very important questions, including: What lie did Bon Joon Ho tell to save his movie? Where can you get a movie ticket for less than three bucks? And which actor loved the taste of the Snowpiercer protein blocks

Matt Sully:   1:45
and gelatinous blocks? Yummy. Just look disgusting, but I don't know, eat Jell O right? So I guess it's but not all like, Did we find out it's all just horse toenails or something? I've

Chris Sully:   2:01
heard some stories I don't want. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, Man. That's, uh, I'm just going to enjoy it.

Matt Sully:   2:08
Yeah, that's fine. If it's some sort of meat byproduct, I don't care. And I don't care what's in a chicken nugget. I know it's all yeah, beaks and toenails, but give it to me. I'll lead it because it was the right sauce. Anything goes down. Okay.

Chris Sully:   2:22
There was an actual TV show with Jamie Oliver, the chef, where he went into schools and showed kids out chicken nuggets or made the whole process is disgusting. And at the end, he's like, all right, so do you guys want to eat these chicken nuggets or these really good chicken strips? And the kids were like chicken nuggets didn't faze him at all. Okay, yeah, I

Matt Sully:   2:41
remember. I watched that The documentary with the call where the guy eats in McDonalds for like a month for every size may super size me and there was about five minutes after that was over, where I'm like, Look, I'm never eating McDonald's again, but then you drive by McDonald's you like, but they're everything so delicious. So yeah, really care. It's also good. What are you watching on television these days? Or streaming or whatever?

Chris Sully:   3:11
Yeah, it's just one of those terms. It just sticks around like I still say I record things, but who uses a tape any more? You know, um, yeah. I've been spending a lot of time consuming all kinds of content, movies and TV. Ah found a great new show on Amazon prime called upload with Robbie ml really enjoying that one. That is a very interesting take on Ah digital after life, if you will. Still watching Tacoma F d by the broken lizard's guys love. That's one of the only shows it's putting out any new content right now. I guess they had recorded it all before all the craziness went down. So we're still a few new episodes from the vault? Basically, Yeah, I think they just were lucky and had a canned at the right time. Ah, lot of podcast listening while I do my daily run more Marc Maron WTF more i d 10 tea with Chris Hardwick this week you had on Alexandra D'Addario which, Who? I'm in love with her. You got to check her out if you haven't. Ah, Nerd profiles a podcast. I was all and recorded an episode this Friday and a dropped Sunday with my good buddy Pablo amended sdcc years ago. Ah, And then I got some new friends that started new podcast called the average Nerd. They put out their very first episodes to shout out to them and lots of gaming Still playing animal crossing every day I'm addicted. College duty, war zone, candy crush and I got back to some Halo five popping skulls and splitting wigs over the weekend having a blast. With that,

Matt Sully:   4:38
I finished up Season two of Kingdom. That was really enjoyable men. That one comes out of the gate hot like it ends. Ah, Season one where they're in this Ah ah, A zombie horde is coming to to attack them, and season two starts out where they're just coming, Adam. So it's Ah, it's exciting from the beginning and ended up being a pretty good season. I also just started Ah, tales from the loop. You had talked about that earlier and I was interested. It was on my list to watch, and I have started. I'm like, four episodes in and I'm enjoying it. It's a slow pace show, but but I think I mean, I like it so far. So yeah, that's good. Ah, watched Goonies again. Yeah, because that was when the Josh GATT had that Goonies Re union got me hyped about it and so obviously had to go and watch that again. It's still a lot of fun. I have been listening to the plot thickens. The new podcast from Turner Classic Movies Ben Mankowitz is hosting on this. They're basically going to do a season about Oh, are each season's gonna feature basically a, uh uh, someone of interest in the movie industry, and this one's Peter Bogdanovich which I honestly didn't know much about him. So far. It's been very interesting, but shooting off of that, um, I have had a movie on my to watch list for ever That for whatever reason, I kept putting off and I finally watched the last picture show. Um, and man, that was a good movie. Like I Yeah, I have heard people talk about it forever and say how good it was. And I you know, I had basic expectations. I try not to get too built up when people recommend things or whatever, but I gotta say that was a solid film. It's just a small town. Um ah. Highlight. Basically of these people that are stuck generations of people stuck in the small town and basically, you know, what are their lives like? And, yeah, it's there's nothing huge other than that, that's all it is. But it's ah, it's a great story, and the acting's really great in it. Um, so people in there that you would know like, um um Jeff Bridges and Civil Shepherd and ah, few other people that have to look it up, but yeah, everybody and they were selling. It was it was a great movie. Well, before we get into Snow Part Peter, sir, person, whatever. One of those snowy terms, Uh, I do have a special segment today, and I still have named the segment. You guys gotta help me out. You can't telling her what to call. I want to call it off script or maybe second unit. I don't know any way. It's just a bunch of me blabbing. This one is about foreign cinema. In terms of gross revenue, English language films are vastly overrepresented among the highest grossing films of all time. Among the top 100 highest grossing films, 99 of them are in English, though it could be argued that Minions is in part of foreign language film, this trend has to do with not only where movies are made and how prevalent the English language is spoken, but also international ticket prices. In a country that charges on average $9 a ticket, the U. S will naturally see higher revenue over India, where the ticket prices less than $3. Looking at ticket sales rather than box office, gross Indian cinema is hugely popular and lucrative for 2019 The US sold 1.2 billion movie tickets that same year in India, so 1.3 billion tickets so the majority of which were not for English language films. The Hindi films, a k a. Bollywood movies, often take 43% of the sales with the Toluca, and Tamil Language is picking up much of the remaining pie they make so many movies on. And I forgot to put down the thing I It's like thousands movies every year. Wow, yeah, just constantly turned him out. So now imagine the number of Indians located outside India and think of the possibilities. Demand for Bollywood cinema availability could bring worldwide. When you scroll down to the bottom of Netflix, you see the hundreds of Indian movies available. You sort of get an idea of where that could go. The point is, there's a vast and expanding catalogue of movies out there that most American movie goers will never watch. And it's mainly because, therefore, people are hesitant to venture outside their comfort zones, and for many foreign languages or a big barrier to overcome, it makes sense. Some movies have managed to find favor with the U s audiences, however, and I'm thinking like Del Toro's Pan's Labyrinth, Bernini's life is beautiful. Lease couching Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, Not the couching Tiger that's a different way. Juno's Homily and Joon Ho's Parasite, which everybody knows now from the Academy Works parasite. Winning best picture is an amazing achievement, but best picture winners and blockbusters or categories with rare overlap. I counted three in the top 200 highest grossing films, and about 75% of the U. S box office earnings for Parasite were made after its success at the Oscars. I don't know that we'll ever see American theaters clearing multiple screens for the latest Chinese import Bollywood hit, though I know some theaters do have select showings for just a short films. Streaming, however, is a different game, and this is where I think maybe we'll see an uptick in foreign language film consumption. I'm a fan of good movies with little regard for language borders, but I know I have barely scratched the surface of foreign cinema. Thanks to Netflix, however, I'm watching shows like the Korean Kingdom that mentioned earlier, and I'm scratching the walls in anticipation of dark Season three, a show, which is entirely in German. But audiences aren't the only issue with welcoming exposure to foreign language films. Even directors who make great movies in their native tongue often switched to English. Jean Pierre Juneau Did Alien Resurrection dealt or omit? Hellboy? Pacific Rim Ang Lee directed Brokeback Mountain in The Life of Pi Bon Joon Homemade Snowpiercer. The question is, if they kept all those movies in their own language, would they have been as successful? The answer is likely. No, we're creatures of comfort. Many people just load subtitles. Foreign language TV and movies will likely forever reach only a fraction of American consumers. So it's up to us to look beyond the Hollywood machine and seek out entertainment in every corner of the world, or else we're gonna miss some truly extraordinary work. After all, even the original man, Max, was dubbed why, because distributors believed American audiences would find the Australian accent too difficult to understand.

Chris Sully:   11:07
Yeah, that's that's really interesting, and I'm I'm with the majority of people, and I don't like reading subtitles, and I don't like dubs. Maybe there's another answer down the road. There's another way to relay that that audio

Matt Sully:   11:21
Well, so I I've had basically an evolution Ah, over time or at least a change. I'm not gonna go and be judgmental about, you know, people struggling to to get into this sort of stuff because I get it. Ah, I used to dismiss Ah, all these films as well, But then when I did start watching some foreign language stuff, I usually watch the dubbed ones. Um, but that in itself is a deterrent because the acting, you know, it's not given to actors. In most cases, it's just people that show up and read the lines, and they're awful. If you watch the original man Max, those guys just aren't as good. It's not as good a movie, because if you watch the dub version, those guys just aren't in it. You know the actors, the voice actress just aren't in it. I I went out and made a special run to find ah, copy of Mad Max with the original track on the audio track on there, and it's so much better like you start to actually see that these guys were legit actors and the emotions of the lines and everything are fantastic, and I do think we're kind of at a point where I mean, the anima and all that is is massive now, and a lot of that stuff, um, is dubbed, um, some of its not and people seem to be fans of that as well, and they don't mind subtitles. It's. But the stuff that is dub is far improved. They are hiring actors to actually read the stuff with emotion and ah, and carry it out as if they were the original actors. And I think I think it works a lot better now.

Chris Sully:   12:57
You know what? It's very interesting you bring that up. I had forgotten about it, but I last year two years ago add the opportunity. Go down to Dallas to Flower Mound, which is just outside of Dallas, where fun emission is housed and fund A mation takes Ah, many of the most popular animals shows like Dragonball Z and my here academia, and there's a list a mile long and within a week of them coming out overseas, they have an entire cast on hand that live in that area that come in and record their parts, and they then they put it up on their streaming channel is where, as well as crunchy roll and several other places. And it has turned into a big business not only for fun Imation to the tune of millions and millions of dollars, but for those actors, there are a few that stand out now. The tour. In addition to do in the voiceover work, they toured all the cons and sign autographs on those characters, even though they weren't the original designers or the original voices. There's a whole different market for that here. There is

Matt Sully:   13:54
a lot of work for voice actors, and I think they're still when you when you discover who does voices on these different cartoons instead of you. What you see that they do it on multiple shows. And yep, it's a It's a small sort of community. I think it's expanding, but it's I guess the people that do it well immediately become, you know, high demand. And hopefully it's lucrative as well. What? That one guy. Ah, who does? Archer. Who does tortures voice. John Benjamin. Yeah. What? He's on Bob's burgers. Yep. Ah, what else does he do? I know he does a couple of the one

Chris Sully:   14:30
he does commercials for Arby's now, but as far as voiceover work, I know I've heard him in other places, but I can't remember where.

Matt Sully:   14:36
Yeah, I know. I know he's been on Does voices for a few shows or what? There was an old, um, cartoon they used to watch called home movies. And I can't remember what channel that was on. It was all that, um, remember Dr Katz like a Celtics like that squiggly, awful animation, like, just like Children drew it. But this is appropriate where it was basically featuring these young kids. And he was like a soccer coach on the show. And, ah, due to salaries, that shit was funny. Animation was poor, but I guess that was the point. Like the voice acting is better. All right, So we are gonna talk about Snowpiercer, which I know this isn't the section where we give our opinions or whatever, but thing. And I like this movie a lot. Yes. So let's hear a little a little bit about Snowpiercer in a future where a failed climate change experiment has killed all life. Except for the lucky few who boarded the Snowpiercer. A train that travels around the globe, a new class system emerges. I don't know if I pasted that wrong was just a oddly form Senate, sir. But anyway, it's in there. Speak train, get on the trip and rat it that dream. All right, So, uh, Chris Evans is in this, Um, I'm not gonna go into all the movies he's in, but I did want to make a note here. I'm gonna go and throw him out as maybe the actor who starred in the most movies based on comics. Because

Chris Sully:   16:07
all looking through the

Matt Sully:   16:08
list, we've got the fantastic force voiced Casey Jones and TMNT. He was in the losers, which nobody talks about that movie. But yeah, it's a very good movie, and I'm gonna go and say that that's besides, like Batman franchises, that's probably one of the best D C movies. Like, Yeah, I'm not a big fan of the D. C. Stuff marvels way better in every capacity. But other than the Batman wants like that and probably the teen titans ah, animated movie are probably like the top D C films. He's also in Scott. Pilgrim versus the World is based on the comic is in the Captain. America is the Avengers, and Snowpiercer is based on the comic, so I

Chris Sully:   16:50
don't like Holy cow. I

Matt Sully:   16:51
didn't do the math, but it's gonna be like upwards of, like, a dozen comic book movie adaptation.

Chris Sully:   16:56
That's impressive. Yeah, that's really impressive. Speaking of, I saw a really cool I don't know if it's a statue or somebody just did it for fun the other day, but it was Chris Evans character in Scott Pilgrim versus The World with the skateboard fighting Captain America with Shields. Not that was freaking. Yeah, he's getting

Matt Sully:   17:14
that movie to that whole movie's great. It is, Um, who else is in this song? Kang Ho, uh, who did? 24 movies prior to Snowpiercer, and it's done nine cents. This guy's work. Wow! Ed Harris probably know from Westworld or the Rock. Or and he's gonna be in the upcoming Top Gun Maverick, Sir John Hurt who way back when I Was an Alien. He's also in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, both of those he's in the Hellboy movies. Tilda Swinton. Um, she's a tons of things and rock solid and everything. She's one of my favorite actresses of all time who she is just amazing. Ah, you might know her from Doctor Strange Grand Budapest Hotel Chronicles of Narnia or Constantine. Jamie Bell is in this season, Rocket Man. He was also in fantastic for But I think the different fantastic swore Siri's, um yes, Jumper. And if you can recall a long time ago, especially when you see his face, he's little Billy Elliot. Remember that movie

Chris Sully:   18:12
back in 2000? Him as Billy Elliot? Oh man,

Matt Sully:   18:16
Yeah, that's great that that movie was fantastic and washing a long time. But I remember like in that movie a lot. Octavia Spencer's in this. She's from hidden figures and help. I like her a lot, too. She is good. Ah, we're going to see a lot of stuff from her over the next few years. Uh, Evan Bremner was from Trainspotting Ah and Co. A sung who's in the host? That was another bomb June Ho movie. And that's who directed this bone. June Ho, who did parasite. So you probably recognize his name from that. He also Oka mother and the host. Uh, he's also ah, big writer. He wrote all those movies I just said I am the parasite. Mother in the host Kelly Masterson also wrote on this. Ah, and he worked on before. The Devil knows you're dead. That's a movie with Philip Seymour Hoffman. Ethan Hawke was disturbing, and it's a good movie, but it's so there's there's some good writing in This is well, and I honestly, this is like the fourth time I've seen this and paying attention more to the right and all the clues they give and this stuff they say, Where it comes back later on you, Seymour, Every time you watch this movie, it's it's really good. Uh, this came out in 2013. So this the first movie we've done that is in not in the eighties. So we have jumped quite a few decades ahead. Um, which is fantastic. People were asking, you know, are we were just going to spend our lives in the eighties, which why wouldn't you? All right, but, um, there is other movies out there another time periods. Now this I say 2013 because that's when it came out of South Korea. Internationally. However, we're going with 2014 June 27th in the US And so just for that because most of our focus has been ah, us release dates. I'm gonna stick with 2014 on our fun facts around that time. The big box office winners. It wasn't that long ago. So everybody should remember these Transformers. Age of extinction. The Hobbit battle of five armies, Guardians of the galaxy came out then the Hunger Games market Mockingjay Part One X Men, Days of future past Captain America, The Winter Soldier and Interstellar. So those were all the big box office winners that year. A lot of men you could sit. We know we're inundated with all the superhero stuff, but every one of those is science fiction that we're fantasy. I guess that's just the world we live in now, Like there's great stories to be told. But that's just impressive that everything that's come out is sci fi and fantasy about nerds unite nerds. A rule in the box office, Alia. And there was a ah, obviously a span of time from the South Korean released to the U. S. That delay in the U. S. Release was caused by Harvey Weinstein. He wanted 20 minutes of footage and addition, opening and closing monologues added But Bond declined in response. A free Snowpiercer petition campaign demanding the director's cut of the film Bigger, released in the U. S. And eventually Bonk succeeded in getting the film released in an uncut form. This was achieved through a change in distributors to Radius TWC, which meant the film on Lee received a limited release in Art House Cinemas on July 3rd, 2014 Thanks to positive reviews, Snowpiercer then earned a wider US release and was played in 100 50 theaters, which isn't massive. But you know, it's at least something. So it would have been that That's kind of a what if moment there, and it's not like it is not like it. It didn't end up being a great movie and bond in the being a successful director. But maybe things would have shifted their if he'd stuck with Weinstein done his cut because then Weinstein would have promoted it more, got it more theaters. That probably would have been pretty big hit. But it seemed time that those movies that were coming out in 2014 I mean, we knew we knew Chris Evans, right? But well, Captain America winner. So that was when your soldier. Okay, So, yeah, we already knew him, but I don't know. Yeah, that could have been marketed to the point where that probably would have been a blockbuster as well, I think.

Chris Sully:   22:23
But how long? What's a run time on this? Two hours, six minutes. If you change 20 minutes of that, that is a significant portion of your film. And I'm kind of proud of him. I applaud him for sticking to his guns and not caving to that because he had a vision. Why change that? I I don't know. Glad he didn't cave. Yeah. Yeah.

Matt Sully:   22:41
Most of the stuff that Weinstein went, he basically went to make it more of an action film. And it still is an action movie. But, you know, there's a lot of of story, and this is well, which I could totally see. Yeah, 20 minutes. Hey, probably would've cut all that. All this dialogue stuff will expiration the train, explaining a lot of the history and all that, and just we would just had another fight with access and stuff, which, you know, I would welcome that as well. But at same time, I really like the movie that came out of this. So this made 86 million. Ah, that's worldwide. This only made four million in the U. S. Louts, That's on a $39 million budget. So yeah, all the money it made was elsewhere in the U. S. And hugely raid 94% on rotten tomatoes. That is an achievement deserved. Well, sir, like I said, this is the fourth time I watched it. I think I see a little bit more every time, and I enjoy it just as much every time. This is one of those I went into. Well, I think most people because it wasn't a huge deal in the US, where it was one of those kind of people were talking about in the shadows or whatever. It's like they just stumbled on it. And, ah, those were some of my favorite movies, like where it's it's that you feel like you've discovered something, you know, like you've stumbled on some gym that's been sitting in the shadows. Need to be dusted often, and you watch it and you really enjoy it and you go and so cold cold. Sorry, but that was I'll see myself out But you go into this not knowing anything and just being so surprised the whole time. Pleasantly like every every turn, like you think it's about to become some sort of generic saying, Ah, where they, uh, give you a new piece of information, that they decided to go a different route with a character. They make choices that you don't see very often, and, ah, and everything turns out really good. I like this movie a lot. What do you think?

Chris Sully:   24:36
Oh, I definitely have a fan. I had a little bit different experience going into because I had started running in the circles of the comic con conventions right around the time that the hubbub around this internationally was starting to get big. And I was eagerly awaiting a US release, sadly, couldn't get to the theater to see it. I wish I had. But as soon as it was available to rent, I jumped on it. Ah, at. But even having seen trailers did not know what this film was about, and I didn't do a lot of reading on it, But Chris Evans being in it huge selling point for me, I'm a big fan of his work. I think he's a great actor. He's been in, like you said many, many of my favorite films. And so I went in eager but uninformed, which I think is some of my best movie viewing experience is The less I know, especially with the film like this that has some twists and turns, makes for a much better video or movie viewing experience.

Matt Sully:   25:32
And it's it's strange because I, um if you pull back, I mean just reading that synopsis, it's like, this sounds to me like, you know, one of those fun SciFi short stories that somebody would write people on the train, you know, the world is frozen over and the only survivors on a train that goes around the whole globe. I mean, that sounds stupid, like, you know, at best, you're going to get a nice 20 minute film with some school special effects or something out of this. But to take that and turn it into something not only a feature like a two hour movie, but every two hours feels every minute feels well deserved, and it needs to be on the screen like you don't feel like this is drawn at all, and it's a great drama is a great story. The actors are fantastic, the characters are great, the action is awesome like and is just unrelenting in its gruesomeness as well. And then there's a nice little fable at the end as well. Learning about humanity and our place in the system and all that sort of stuff is well on how that ultimately works out in society and classes and all that be

Chris Sully:   26:42
on the way, section after section precisely where they've always been and where they'll always be all adding up to what the trade.

Matt Sully:   26:56
It's got everything that, if anything, it should be closer to 100% on rotten tomatoes. There's very little about this I can complain about.

Chris Sully:   27:04
I really like you called out the ah, the one year travel of the train and how that sounded like a stupid concept and right in the middle of the movie, when they get to the school car of the train, the one little girls like everybody was so stupid they didn't realize how the genius Wilford was, and they talk. They basically explain that and make fun of making fun of it, which is great.

Matt Sully:   27:26
Now he just He handles everything so well and this is all him. I'm going to go and say, You know, it's a good script. Um, and actors did a fantastic job, but it's it's mostly him as a director, I think he's a good director. We recently watched Parasite and I had not seen I had been wanting to watch it. It's just not It's a great movie, man. And that's another one. Honestly, people talk about spoilers and stuff. I pretty much don't pay attention. Anything. So I went into this into parasite Colt to despite it being an award winner and all that and everybody talking about it. I didn't know anything about it. Um, I clue. Okay, cool. So I'm no, um, it's also very good. And, um, not knowing anything about it makes it that much more fun to experience. Yeah, overall, his fantastic director. If you don't want Snowpiercer, if you have much Paris psycho, go watch both of those. They're they're really good.

Chris Sully:   28:20
I've got a few notes that I made my patented bulleted item system here. Uh, just the name of the train. The Raveling arc. They reference it in the beginning. I didn't quite get that. I mean, it's an ark, and it does rattle down the tracks. But that seemed too easy. I don't think that so that was interesting. You what? Like I don't think

Matt Sully:   28:41
that's the name. I think it is called the Snowpiercer.

Chris Sully:   28:43
They just I guess they just referred to that as that. That rattling aren't called the Snowpiercer.

Matt Sully:   28:48
It's strange that too. It was all

Chris Sully:   28:51
Yeah, I was. I think that was used as a proper noun and the way it was written on the screen. I think it was his capitalized. I'll have to go back because I thought that was interesting. I couldn't believe there on that train for, like, I made these notes in order as I was watching, but to know that they were on that train for 17 18 years. Dear God, can you imagine a person? And as this pointed out later in the film, no one had ever gone from one end of the train all the way to the other Chris Evans character. Curtis was the first to do that. Yeah, I know. That was insane. Ah, that chick that's like his second in command that that as the gun in the final scenes, when we first meet her, she gets hit in the head with the shoe and bleeds and then eats it like, What's that? She is twisted and would see he references. She's having some emotional issues or something like that. It towards the end of like, oh bs she is. I just put her down his yellow jacket chick in my notes. Ah, and then I made this note before because I totally forgot the plot twists in this. I know I watched it years ago, and I've for gotten just enough where I could enjoy it almost like a first go first movie viewing experience. Again, I was like in my notes, I was like, Wait a minute, they got no bullets. But then later there's a whole segment where they're shooting between cars. That was convenient, that they didn't have bullets. But then, of course, we get to the end of the film when we find out there was a reason for that, whether or not it's specifically explained or not, it was by design. I love that they stop in the middle of one of the giant battle scenes to celebrate Happy New Year. That cracks me up That whole. That whole

Matt Sully:   30:21
section of the movie is just amazing. Like the action in there, the fighting and yet it's tense the whole time. And then it all goes dark and I have to find the dark and yet and just stop in the middle of to celebrate the New year. That's hilarious.

Chris Sully:   30:36
It was, Yeah, let's all pause. He's got the megaphone. Let's all pause and celebrate real quick and then okay, back to the action. That was great. Yeah, even my next bullet was the long tunnel night vision segment. Just Wow. And when I did read, I think we'll probably get to it in the ah, the cool behind the scenes stuff at the end. So I won't reference it specifically right now. But when they come running in with the torches on screen, just wow, that was just visually stunning. Yeah, I love that, Um, Tilda Swinton. Passengers. This is no shoe. This is disorder. This is size 10 chaos again. You said it. I think she's a magnificent actress. I love the way she gets into each of the characters she plays. She's She could be creepy a f. She could be very convincing. I don't know where or why. That scene where she takes her teeth out is so unique. And she's such a good actors that you can see her like exposing weakness in herself and in her character. Just by that simple maneuver like, Why is that powerful? But somehow she made it powerful. I'm like, I don't understand what I just saw, but that was cool. Yeah, she she

Matt Sully:   31:57
serves steals the show in this 10 yeah, she's She's power, like whenever she 1st 1st gets up there and starts to talk, You're just like she just becomes that character and it's amazing

Chris Sully:   32:10
she does something that only the best of the best actors and actresses do. And that is Ah, they apply nervous tics and mannerisms to a character that most people are never able to do, and those little those little things make it them so much more riel. The speech impediments, the tics of an eye, motions in the head and hands like the way she does these actions with their hands that we learned later in the film serve a purpose that was really cool. Touch that was the director yelling her to do those. But still, she executed them perfectly. And the way they zoomed in on the hands when she did it, you know, they're going to reference it again in the film. And they do, um, the Wilford origin story and song in the cart with the kids. Oh, man, Theo, Engine stops stop. I was I literally laughed out loud, and I thought that I can't wait to do the podcast and to have that audio segment of the songs somewhere in the podcast. So

Matt Sully:   33:20
it's probably had just played.

Chris Sully:   33:22
Yeah. Love it, love. I'm gonna listen back. I'm gonna laugh again and then laugh at us, laughing at us, Laughing. Yeah, that's gonna be great. Those were my big bullet takeaways. I'll be honest. I I watched this. Ah, I was a little tired when I watched it. That first hour and 10 minutes, it's rocking along its good set up. We got the action. Then there gets this segment where they're chatting him and ah ah Seng Kang ho uh, name goon men. So men sue, I can't have those names I couldn't pronounce in the movie where they're having a nice conversation back and forth. That's key to the movie. And I fell asleep three times watching that no and and finally got up, made a cup of coffee and got back into it because I knew it was so good and so important. That speech

Matt Sully:   34:08
from Chris Evans at that moment, like she's so good. Oh, my God, that's the best acting he's ever done. That was, I agree. It was amazing, you felt, because it's ah as a gut wrenching story and, ah, you know, it gives so much background his character and how he's evolved and stuff and just what's happened with the origin of the train. And I think a lot of people would have made the choice to either show that, like they would actually go film it. Yep, which was not necessary because you got you understood everything from his expression and the way he told the story. We didn't need to see that And the end as another thing, too. Is that how the story unfolds is so important, Like we spend so much time like we literally start at the back of the train and work our way forward. They don't they. The only time we see people that air from the front of training wasn't when they visit the back of the train like we will move car by car as an audience up the line. And they could have done that differently, like the only thing that's really is. Ah, I feel I guess I didn't really notice that before. As they opened, the movie was showing the the Rockets that remain launched into space, and I don't really know why he did that. That's the only thing I was like I don't need We didn't get anything from a Zanon one

Chris Sully:   35:22
I I felt that was very out of place. Ah, and set a tone that I tried to just ignore this time around when I saw his like that doesn't match the rest of the film. That doesn't work for me. I'm gonna pretend I didn't just see that. Yeah, maybe one of the only falls.

Matt Sully:   35:37
One of the new things I noticed this time around to is the opening credits. He had this whole thing about highlighting, um, basically loops so like the O's and Snowpiercer being this because it's a commentary, not about just the train going around the planet, but also kind of how we all fit together in this or this cycle of existence and stuff, how we rely on each other. And I thought that was I didn't catch that. It's subtle, but it's ah, once you and I think that's that's an advantage of seeing the movie a few times. Like I said, I see things now they didn't see before and and that we haven't really gotten to, like a whole, you know, Sully rating system, where how many stars or thumbs or whatever. But for me, and when I read a movie, rewatch ability is a huge factor. Ah, a movie can be fantastic. But if I only ever want to see it once and I don't ever want to go back and watch it again, it loses quite a bit.

Chris Sully:   36:36
About the only time that's okay is when there's a giant twist. Well, but even then, yeah, I talk about it a lot in different settings, but The Matrix, one of my all time favorite films I have watched probably 150 times at this point, still catching stuff, still catching little nods and little wording and phrases and stuff that I didn't catch in the 1st 149 viewings. It's insane. Yeah, nuts. But that's that's my overall take from the film. I think one thing I just did remember and what you were talking about was sometimes not showing something, just referring to it like he did during that speech. They have that dude hold his arm out for the longest time, seven minutes while he's wearing the Flavor Flake lock around his neck. And then he pulls his arm in and they hit it with a giant hammer. But they don't actually show the hit. No reason for it. You get you get the vibe, you get the feel through the eyes of the people watching that event or averting their eyes, which I think that's so powerful you don't have to show everything, even even in a film that's so over the top, with the blood and guts, they still decided not to show that exact instant, which I thought was very interesting. Yeah, he's

Matt Sully:   37:44
Ah, and when you see parasite, you pick up more on that, too. But he's very good at, um setting, setting you up for what's coming like go ahead and placing something in your mind. Eso like before he smashes the dudes arm Way said, We have a long take of that hammer. Just Yep, that massive hammer that is there. And we all know what's about to happen so your way don't need to see the impact. We've already imagined it a dozen times before he ever swamp. Yep, so that's that's brilliance of directing. In my opinion,

Chris Sully:   38:20
it's kind of like reading a book. He's planted all those seeds, and it's up to you to visualize it, and you'll probably visualize something that's even more disturbing or graphic than he could ever show on screen. This ain't Saul. If you want that go. What, Saul you know, or any of the 80 to solve films, you know?

Matt Sully:   38:38
Yes, it does. It does. You know, the audience comes in and we already have an ability to carry through on a lot of stuff, whether you have shown it to us or not. So we were already come in armed and and that's what's great about movies is there's a there's interaction there. We we all watch the same movie, but in a way we've we've added our own elements every time we watch it. So it's person and that's that's pretty great. All right, so we are going to do some Snowpiercer pitches and this is a fun time. Everybody because we get Teoh. Like I said just then we get to use our imaginations and we get Teoh tell a story that we would like to see of what Snowpiercer could become in a sequel. And I don't know if you've made a television Siri's or a movie er or what, But, um, I'd like to hear yours. Okay,

Chris Sully:   39:32
I'll go first before I jump into mine. I would like to plant a little seed, if I may. For everyone we have a secret code or that might come into play in a future giveaway. And that code word is steak S t E E a k steak. And I think if you just watch Snowpiercer, you know why that is a secret code. Words now, for my pitch of a Snowpiercer retake, I have decided to go with a sequel. I had several options that I was really thinking through. Now we know they're doing this TV series. I don't know much about it all. I have seen a trailer. It's gonna be interesting to see what they do, but I just can't imagine this going on for seasons. I just don't know how you do that. So in my mind, that definitely doesn't play is another film. Ah, what I'm going to do is a direct sequel where the events take place immediately at the end of the first movie. Um, and it's called snow piercers. Like you go from alien aliens, I'm going Snowpiercer to snow piercers. Let me give you my synopsis, and then I will give you my casting. I will go and say the same actress that played Yona is back. CO assume so Here's my synopsis, which I will read because I put a lot of time in tow. Ah, the second film picks up exactly at the end of the first, with Yona and young Timmy heading out into the snow. I stopped to look at that polar bear, which clearly means that life has found a way to survive when it dawns on Yona that Wilford, played by Ed Harris, originally would have seen this as a possibility, he would have understood that the train was not the end of the journey, but a means to survive the freezing temperatures caused by CW seven Yonan. Timmy returned to the train wreckage to comb over the remains and find their way back to the lead car. They find a journal written by Wilford meant to be handed off to Curtis. That explains the inner workings of the train and the plan that he had set in place for the creation of a new civilization to be executed when the world once again became inhabitable during their discovery, several other passengers who somehow survived the crash find Yona and Timmy and the group, now 12 people strong, decide to head off in search of Wolford's bunker, which he established before setting the train in motion 18 years before this new group of snow piercers. That's the title, but the play on words because now they're going out into the snow. Okay, if you have to explain, it's not so good, but I did it anyway. This new group of snow piercers must endure the harsh weather, wild animals and limited supplies as they follow the instructions left behind in Wolford's journal to most of the group, the world is a strange place that they had only heard about from the older people on the train, and they're clearly not prepared for such an adventure. The New Year mark, as we referenced when you're talking about the film they had just passed a day or two prior, is the destination, as that was. The original point are the origin point of the train, very close to the bunker in the mountains that Wilfred had constructed. But due to the weather conditions and treacherous terrain, the journey takes months, and there are many losses along the way. During their journey, the group comes across the remains of pockets of civilization that it clearly tried to survive the cold but had not fared at all. Luckily, these areas air full of supplies pretty much everything except food, and the group's biggest struggle becomes defending themselves from the harsh weather after a very long journey. The remaining members of the group, now Yona and three others poor Timmy did not make it arrive at the secret entrance toe Wolford's bunker, found at the base of a large mountains marked only by a small logo, just like the ones found at the front and back of the rattling arc that W that could flip around to be. The phone now flips around with the press of a plate to reveal a number pad. The number that is needed is in Wolford's journal, so they punch it in The rock formation opens to reveal an entry hall into a huge facility built into the mountain. The team, now hungry and tired at a level even worse than the time on the train, walks down the hallway. A faint noise not heard at the entrance, grows louder as they make their way down the hallway, and they see light coming from a turn at the end. The team makes their way to that turn, and as they approach it, they hear voices. They enter a large area to find what looks like a cafeteria, and at the other end people, a small group of five people dressed in jumpsuits stare back at you and the others. At first, the group from the train fear the worst, but they're greeted by these new people with open arms. Both groups were shocked to see anyone else, but the jumpsuit clad team quickly reveal that they have been waiting on just such a day. They had been in this mountain for 18 years with hopes that the passengers of the rattling arc would one day arrive. Wilford had put two plans in motion, with the hope being that he and the passengers of the train would one day return to the mountain facility. But that facility was also a backup plan. In case the train failed, Yona and the team from the train are escorted to their new rooms in the mountain facility, a shower, and they lay down to rest. The next morning, they agreed with breakfast riel, eggs, bacon, toast. They share the tales of their trip and allow themselves a moment to bask in the hope of the life ahead of him. We fast forward a few months and see both teams working and living together in harmony. And then in the last minutes of the film, we see the secret mountain entrance open once again from the outside ah, large group. Several dozens people strong make their way down to the cafeteria. The leader of the new group meets our bunker dwellers, holding a similar journal to the one found in Wolford's engine. room car. He opens his mouth and says, I am Wilford son and we're here to take back the mountain facility. Roll the end credits. Nice. Well, so this could be a two parter. It could be. I like the idea that this kind of wraps up their journey. They think it's over. It could even be maybe a Post credits scene if you really wanted to go nuts. But I feel like this. This world had to be much bigger. You can't. They opened the first movie and say The world is everyone's expect. Oh, yeah, but by the way, there's this train. Do you Are you seriously telling me that this guy Wilford, who was preaching that this was going to happen, that no one else listened? So I imagine. And he's a smart guy, and he has clearly an abundance of wealth. He would have had several plans in play because he was about survival. So I felt like there's there's probably a much greater bigger story at play, and maybe that's multiple films that we get to see it all.

Matt Sully:   46:08
Yeah, and the, um, the graphic novels. There's like four of them or something that do tell different stories a different time period. So

Chris Sully:   46:19
I didn't know about those. Oh,

Matt Sully:   46:20
yeah. So we do actually get an expansion of the story. I think one of them does cover, um, earth as the event is happening. Um, and then another one is a little before this Snowpiercer. And then I think another one's afterward. So we do. We do get an expansion of the story. I don't know what all they're going to cover, but Yeah, there's more to the story and e I would be interested to go and actually read those Finerman. See? See what the story is that they told

Chris Sully:   46:53
maybe the those stories of the premise for the new television show.

Matt Sully:   46:57
It could be. I didn't see that written anywhere, but it could just missed it. Who do you have? Ah, casting for this as well.

Chris Sully:   47:06
Oh, yes. Oh, really? Everybody is kind of a backdrop. I like that. The 1st 1 doesn't have a lot of known names for the other cast members. I mean, a few Octavia Spencer and Jamie Bell. Yeah, we know them from other things, but everybody else was kind of an unknown. This one I feel like the most important roles are Ah, Yona from the first film and then who was the leader of this group that comes in at the end? And I like I like this actor, Edward Norton as Wilford son, which I think is very believable If you look at Ed Harris and you look at Edward Norton as well. So

Matt Sully:   47:40
yeah, we've had this few times. There's, um, it's just going to continue to happen. We got some similarities. Um, I spent more time on the story, This go around and so also it I didn't have. I didn't do any casting. Um, I would like, see where we can a continuation. So Yona and Bon Joon ho's director would be nice, But yeah, I didn't get Teoh didn't get to casting. I would like to go back and think about that, but but here's the here's Here's my pitch. I don't have a cool name for it or anything. So just Snowpiercer out in the coat. Let the marketing team figure that out. That's not my responsibility. The wreckage of the Snowpiercer is covered in ice and snow, and it slowly blending into the bare and stark white landscape. The tracks of Yona and Timmy and long since been covered by snow. But the railroad tracks begin to shake the weather clear, and we see another train in the distance. A second Wilford Super train is slowing before the wreckage of the first, when the train stops after a long silence, one of the doors of the train opens and a hesitant pastor steps out. And there are more people, armed forces and first class passengers, their bright clothes visible for miles against the whiter than there's an explosion at the tail end of the long train, and dozens of the tailenders spill out of the broken heap. When a struggle ensues, we see people slaughtered on both sides of the conflict, while many others flee into the mountains. They're shouting and gunshots and silence. The world is quiet again. Six months later, a small group of people are seeing huddled in one of the train cars, a combination of living quarters for both humans and livestock that people are well clothed, even if the clothes are dirty and decently fed. Though they share the meat from a recently cooked chicken, the dozen people seem to have an uneasy alliance bakery and over possessions and getting into physical fights. When a noise comes from outside, however, they all work in unison to seal the train car off. They're scared, hiding from Raiders who have again come to pillage what food is left aboard the second train. The frightened group says that what the pillagers have come for is likely the last of the food. And from the angry, muffled shouts and violent bangs against the metal walls, it seems the Raiders air upset by what little left there is to steal. The next time the Raiders come, says someone from the group, it will be for the small band of surviving passengers. After the rate is over, they decide they have to leave the train, a journey over mountains fighting wolves, harsh storms and amongst themselves until they reach what appears to be a small town constructed from the remains of cars, ships and storage containers isn't reflective surfaces. The people have cleared, and he did a patch of earth where they're growing food and raising polar bears for meat. But the town is far from prosperous. The town cautiously brings them in, and when the townspeople find out they're trained survivors. There's infighting over whether or not the group should be allowed to stay. For days, the group has watched kept away from the Children, though one townsman confesses he was the survivor, the first train part of the rebellion that lead to its destruction. He says how weak they were individually, but their collective hatred for the evil, selfish people of the front gave them strength. Sometimes, he says, you need a proper villain to help humanity thrive. As he finishes, the story begins to realize that this group of train folk may not all have been from the tail end before he can confirm this, the Raiders show up. The second train group thinks they must have tracked them from the wreck. But a Villager meets the Raiders, pointing out their new guests. The Raiders capture the visitors and travel back to their own base, a massive underground facility complete with electricity and running water. The Wilford incorporated logo's all over the walls and appears to be a factory hand testing facility for the trains that existed prior to Earth, freezing over. As the group waits in the holding room, they try to determine if the Raiders and the others they met where, perhaps also in some way tied to the train and, more importantly, which car selections they were from sections they were from. If they were from an opposing class of passengers, they could make trouble for the groups of the captains decide not to confess anything about which end of the train they were from one by one, members of the group are taken away for interrogation as the audience is left to make their own determination as to the origins of everyone's. That's when I want to play with Throughout is we don't really know who was from what class or whatever. And so they're all gonna have a blend because they stole clothes from other people in their evening. You know? Well, that's where stuff. One man who talks escape plans appears to possibly be a former military personnel. In the train, a woman who's bothered by just about everything comes across is one of the former privilege. An older man, frail but generous and caring, just wants them all to live through this new struggle. A young couple, neutral in their behavior, determined to stay together. In the end, we don't know which section, any one of the most from only that they learned to survive together. Each person comes back from their interrogation, telling of a one armed man who drilled them for answers while in Asian Girl stood by his side, staring When the pretty woman doesn't return From her interrogation, the group has taken for molding and shown their work areas and living quarters. It's clear that they will be staying against their will. The old man, however, is taken from the group weeping. They assume he's seen as a useless commodity and will likely be killed. The couple of the others began work on an assembly line. They have a daily routine, and they worked alongside others who have come from different parts of the world, either stumbling into the Raiders on patrol or taken from Villagers, villages and towns they had established. We discovered that the Raiders air taking resource is wherever they find them and bringing them back to the base for their own use and having the workers construct new trains so they can expand their global reach. The couple works the assembly line. The tough military guys were created as a card. The prissy woman is a cleaner among the workers, there are struggles and a gang like pecking order. It's prison life where too many people have forced groups to form to survive. Not all the workers are able to make it in that life. Some are murdered by their own, and when someone attempts to run their publicly slaughtered by the leaders of men, others cling to existence. A sad as it may be, life here is better than on the train is some say, but others wish for more. They all agree that if they want to choose what life they want, they would need to leave the old Wilford base. The couple, the cleaner in the guard, work together and form an escape plan when their plan fails. It's revealed that Yona, the Asian girl with clairvoyant powers, saw what they were going to do and told their leader the one armed man. He gathers the entire base and executes the garden. The prissy cleaning woman Joonas, clearly upset by the event. And it's evidence she has been physically and emotionally beaten down, but only steps in when the leader calls for the young couple to be executed as well, Yona convinces him instead to put them in the breeding program where they're producing the next generation of loyal servants. The young man becomes an assistant with injecting women to impregnate them, and the young woman is one of the women test with carrying Children. The leader in Genghis Khan style. It's actually Jenkins. Cone comes in weekly to donate his firm for the breeding, and we know now that all the baby's air hiss and in many cases he rapes the women rather than relying on scientific methods. Time passes, the young woman becomes pregnant, and the couple isn't entirely sure who the father is witnessing this partners rape time and again, the young man wants to kill the leader, but the young woman wants to escape. The rebellious couple finds an unlikely ally in Yona. She lets them know their baby will become important for the New world. She wants to. Her powers have basically increased over time. She wants to help them escape on a recently completed train, but says she'll stay behind to kill. The leaders of the Raiders won't be forced to hunt the couple down through a time lapse. We watched the young couple's baby grew up on a farm, become leader of a community than that community wars with the neighboring town. As time passes, it's apparent the boys, ruthless and terrible, starting a war with the desperate survivors of humanity. Yona narrates to explain that this war would bring the small towns together to defeat him, which ultimately combined their resource is to better expand humanity and extend the viability of humans. Rival. In the last part of the montage, we see an older Yona killing the couple, son. Thousands of people gathered in celebration. Wow. So rather than him being the savior of humanity as a good guy, we need him to be a villain. So everybody comes together to take his hands down.

Chris Sully:   55:10
Didn't see that as soon as you had said that, you know, had that vision. I instantly had the thought. Oh, it's Yeah. Okay. He's gonna be the good guy. He's gonna be the savior. You're right. That's good.

Matt Sully:   55:18
Yeah, he's, uh, John Connor. But what exactly does thinking he's determined your on?

Chris Sully:   55:25
I love it. Yeah, that's good. I can't believe we both went with a bunker in the mountains, but it does. It does beg the question. Why the train in the 1st 1 at all? E,

Matt Sully:   55:35
I don't know. Well, so there's only the slight I was thinking out dumb. It was to There is that there is an explanation that Wilford film where it says originally, it was a luxury liner that needed to line Look, whatever. Ah, luxury train that had to be impervious to super cold and super hot. So he didn't build it for the purpose of a narc. It just had to suit that purpose. Well,

Chris Sully:   56:05
yep. That's a good point. Yeah. Yeah, because the idea of of them having to move all the time and run into these frozen pockets of ice and snow and then like you're in yours, the second train must come to a stop because of the problem with the 1st 1

Matt Sully:   56:21
Well, and so yeah, right. Yeah. They just have no choice. They can't. They can't move on. Yeah, and there is subtleties like to explain why did what? So if the train is impervious to all these conditions, it doesn't have to keep moving. But it does because she explains in there that it gets water from when it breaks up the snow and ice. So for him to get water onto the train, they have to keep moving to scoop up the snow in the ice. So that part makes sense. I just wish the train tracks like and how it gripped the tracks was a better system.

Chris Sully:   56:52
You no doubt that's just constantly about to fall off, but needs to be like that Disney tram that kind of wraps around. Yes. Yeah, I would have been way better. Yeah. Yeah. Had they

Matt Sully:   57:03
known in advance that this was a preparation for a ah, frozen wasteland, they probably would have heated rail tracks, but, uh,

Chris Sully:   57:11
well, and by being on the move, I mean, in your story, you actually played into the fact that because they were stationary, the groups outside the train knew where to attack over and over and over again. If the train's moving, it only comes around once a year. It would take anybody that wasn't on the train forever to even figure that out. They would've been fine for a long time if it weren't for stuff on the tracks.

Matt Sully:   57:35
Yeah, And you notice there. You and I both dismissed Timmy like I didn't even write him in. I was got a whole thing where he was involved in, like, you know, I don't know what to do with him.

Chris Sully:   57:47
Come on. A five year old boy and a frozen tundra. I know he can't fend for himself. He's dependent on others, and they're worried about themselves. The odds were slim to none. Yeah. Poor Timmy. We barely knew you.

Matt Sully:   57:59
Yeah, and I think Yona going out as in experience that she was with life on Earth. She probably wouldn't survive either without somebody else's help. Like she's not gonna learn out of farm all of a sudden or kill up.

Chris Sully:   58:14
No, but she was a little clairvoyant, And that could share will have its benefits.

Matt Sully:   58:19
True, but that's not gonna grow potatoes. Like I would keep her from getting bitten by a wolf. Maybe, but, uh, no. Even then I imagine less. Another thing that it's Ah, there's a There's a few problems with Snowpiercer, but we sure, you know, they would have been so weakened that them fighting anyone in some sort of rebellion probably wouldn't It would have been over in less than a minute. Um, you know that they only ate cockroaches s. Oh, my I don't know that provides protein, but not I wouldn't think enough. And then there is something that comes up that I don't think I It's like a goof which is glaring this time around. Where the matches the kid, the kid takes the matches and then runs off with him. And then they're just They're in his case later on, when they need them.

Chris Sully:   59:10
And the number of matches there were some Ah, yeah, the way they were used there shouldn't have been one left at the end, I think is what I read is,

Matt Sully:   59:16
there was something in there where somebody didn't editing thing or a reshoot. Everyone forgot Historia and it could have been fixed. He actually all you need to do is cut the kid stealing them because they probably add that to explain how he would light the torch later on. But we didn't need that. We could have assumed there was other matches on the ship.

Chris Sully:   59:39
Yeah, So are they started the fire from friction or something else?

Matt Sully:   59:43
Sure, Yeah. You can make fire. Yeah. Yeah, so that they really just literally cutting out three seconds of the film. Would fix that.

Chris Sully:   59:52
I think those kind of things are funny and they're interesting. Some people get straight up, bent out of shape about movies because that kind of stuff clearly they've never edited a film, because can you imagine trying to keep track of all that crap? Yeah. Ask if I could, I couldn't fathom. All right, so I think those

Matt Sully:   1:0:11
are both quality pitches, but we're not making these movies. There is a television show, however, coming out. And so we do want to talk a little bit about that because there are some things that were questioning, you know, as much as we can discover about this And here's the synopsis. This is set seven years after the world has become a frozen wasteland. So actually places us before Snowpiercer movie. It's a prequel. Snowpiercer. The television series centers on the remnants of humanity who inhabit a giant, perpetually moving train that circles the globe. So seven years, if I'm right, that would actually put us at that story. They tell about the people. One of the other revolutions.

Chris Sully:   1:0:56
Yes, you're right. So that's what this is

Matt Sully:   1:0:59
gonna be about. And this thing is already renewed for a second season, which I don't understand how that's possible. So I mean, that makes me feel good about wanting to watch it. I don't generally jump into a show. Um, without multiple seasons. Now,

Chris Sully:   1:1:17
that means one of two things to me. Either They went ahead and filmed both seasons all at once because that would be way cheaper on budget. Or and this, Actually, I'm surprised more studios haven't done this. There is a huge thing. I don't know what you would what you would call this exactly a fear of getting into a show because of how often shows are canceled. And I think you've even mentioned it before, and I know I have. It's like I'm not getting in on season one unless I know there's going to beam. Or is this just a marketing ploy? Did they just say this so we wouldn't give up before Season one had even finished airing? I

Matt Sully:   1:1:49
don't and I are off. I've said this on the show, but basically I want a I think I have. I want a contract I want. I want to know that you're gonna give us a show, and you're going to support your own show like, Why should we keep turning up toe? Watch these shows and you cancel them, not when they don't have viewers. There's still millions of people watching these shows that you've cancelled millions and you counted as a failure. Well, any failures on your part, my friend, it for not supporting your own program and used to put on a television show that sucked probably the 1st 2 seasons, and then they got better. And then people started showing up. What? Seinfeld.

Chris Sully:   1:2:29
Seinfeld was awful. We said it at the same time. Terrible show. Starting season

Matt Sully:   1:2:35
three. It actually got genuinely funny. Yep. And and then it was one of the top shows forever. And you've got to change how this is done. Stop making a 1,000,000 shows. You give us one new show a year and make it solid and support your own damn show. And don't make a syriza is going to continue on forever. I'm sorry that you're not gonna have friends again. It's not going to carry on for however May ridiculous seasons. That show went on until everybody dates everybody and you've got you've told every stupid trope possible. Tell us that there is a story here that will be resolved in three seasons. Four citizens, whatever. So we know what we're getting into. Like we're all in this together, man. We wanted entertainment.

Chris Sully:   1:3:18
I totally agree. And honestly, I would say that thes studios and television stations are run by people that are concerned about nothing but the money. Yet where's the financial smarts in spending millions of dollars in production and salaries, millions of dollars in advertising and then not even showing all the episodes? How much investment did you put in? And like, the perfect example is always firefly. There's 13 episodes. They only showed 10 and they showed them out of order. They showed him out of order, for God's sake.

Matt Sully:   1:3:51
Yeah, nothing was handled right on that show. All right, So who's gonna be in this? Well, we know Jennifer Connelly is gonna be in this and was so funny Is I? I know her so much that I forgot to go and add in what all she's been in. So I'm gonna look that up. Career opportunities? Yep. Labyrinth. Beautiful mind. Um, she was also in Ah, this she was actually in Ah, Spider Man. Homecoming for a second. Um, she

Chris Sully:   1:4:23
was in the m C. You. She is Friday, Remember? I think I talked about that before. She's the voice of Friday. The ai that takes over after, um, Jarvis becomes vision

Matt Sully:   1:4:34
and let us not forget or if you want to. But she wasn't Holck. Um

Chris Sully:   1:4:39
Oh, yeah,

Matt Sully:   1:4:40
yeah. Ah, she was. Listen, Blood diamond. Um dark water polic. Requiem for a Dream Dark City. We're going back pretty far,

Chris Sully:   1:4:49
but man, Requiem for a dream is what twisted as flick. Yeah, and I can't I can't watch

Matt Sully:   1:4:55
idea. And I think we did mention this on the top gun up. So she is going to be in Top Gun Maverick as well. So it's exciting to see that she's she's coming back. Um, agree. No. A Laker? Yeah, she's She's a decent actress. And, ah, I feel like she's gonna be one of these women. That's just gonna be lovely at any age, you know? So, uh, I I could totally see in her carrying on for quite a while. All right? There's more people in this thing. Jennifer Connelly. Ah, Daveed Diggs. Hey, it was in the get down and blackish also does a lot of voice work. Did voices for Star Wars Resistance. Bob's Burgers. And he was the voice of Dose and Ferdinand, Mickey Sumner's And this was an American made and marriage story. Sheila Vande, who was on 24 Legacy whiskered Whiskey, Tango Foxtrot and Argo Lena Hall, which was an all She was on All my Children, Alison, right? I was in a few TV shows. Castle, Castle Rock Sneaky Pete The Americans Ah, Ito Goldberg was in Westworld Get Shorty television show and peaky blinders as well. So quite a few TV actors here, Aaron Glenn Ain was on a show called 68 Whiskey and many serious called Picnic at Hanging Rock. Karen Connor balls on The X Files, Dirk Gently s holistic detective agency and the good Doctor. Um and oddly enough, I didn't go through the entire cast. But I found it odd that quite a few of them did voices on Bo jak horseman and I was oh, trying to figure out if there was some sort of producer tie in the, uh you know, a writer tie in. Why so many of them? Or maybe it's just one of those things, like they were looking for people with certain voices. Maybe, um and, uh, I don't know, but the strength is not a burning bush.

Chris Sully:   1:6:54
This is interesting. You didn't say this name. I scrolled away down on IMDb and I m d B is showing two seasons worth of content. They showed 20 episodes next to Jennifer Connelly's name. Listed his 2020 2021. But if you get way down the list, Shaun being is listed, and it only says 10 episodes next to his name. So my first thought was, Oh, crap, he's gonna die again because no, known for dying and everything, he's only listed for 2021. Yeah, did add the interesting

Matt Sully:   1:7:25
Yeah, which I. I wish we could go ahead and just skip a hit because Sean being is amazing, a lovely guy. And, um, maybe you'll live this time. That's something nice to look forward to that he'll be in season two. So yeah, as far as what I've read is not being season one, but he will be in season two. Ah, the writers on this ah guy named Graeme Manson, who worked on Orphan Black on also wrote the Movie Cube if you recall that movie back in 1997 I really enjoyed that movie. A bunch of random strangers wake up in this metallic room and figure out there in this big Rubik's Cube labyrinth sort of social experiment where they have to trap to escape. They have to travel through all these different rooms, and essentially they're trapped rooms. So different things happen. If you go in the wrong room and not all of them make it out. Ah, but it's actually pretty entertaining. And it's one of those movies where you think about after it's like, you know, ah, budget wise like and set designer. They'd only had to make one room, and they slightly change it like you filmed in one location. Genius. Yeah, slightly different lighting, maybe a different arrangement or whatever, but yeah, the budget on that could have been really cheap because they're no, there's nobody in it like they're all no name actors, and not all of them are great either. Um, but it's kind of worth a worth of viewing. Um, the Siri's is going to come out may 17th 2020. So this is ah, 1st 4 episodes. Um in a few cases where not only we moved out of the eighties, but this is gonna be the first retake to actually come out very close to our episode. So

Chris Sully:   1:9:14
wow, you might do. I think we planned this. Yeah, exactly. It's crazy. Who did X Hey. Yeah, yeah. Yes. So I don't know.

Matt Sully:   1:9:25
I I'm curious for listeners. Teoh, get some feedback. How many people are are interested in this show, And, um yeah, and once it actually comes on, how many are watching it now? Money, you know, are enjoying it. And, uh,

Chris Sully:   1:9:41
I got a couple questions. You had a couple questions for you one. Did you watch the trailer? Yes. OK, I did, too. I don't remember crap from it. I just know I saw it. I was like, I'm in because it's called Snowpiercer. But to I'm guessing senses TNT. It's gonna be a week to week release. Not in all available at once. Which would you prefer?

Matt Sully:   1:9:59
Oh, I don't do the week to week anymore. Yeah, I need extreme it. I don't know anybody who's somebody. Edgar Wright shared something on Twitter the other day up about a show that is gonna air a certain time. And it was he took a picture of like, I don't know if it was a TV guide of what it still exists that shows what you know. Any of the newspaper shows what's coming out or whatever, but, like, who does this like if it's so archaic, the thought of looking in to see what's going to come on, and I just honestly, I don't Even when I think about watching Steph, I 0% of me is thinking about what's on television. I pull up Netflix. I pullup crave. I pull up all these other things or I'll go to you tube, um, or bring a podcast. But I have no idea what's on television. I don't know what networks air what I don't care. Eventually, if it's a success, they'll get onto the streaming networks and then I'll watch it. Then I'm also the guy who ah well, wait 30 years for a video game to become 99 cents that so that I will buy it and then play it because I don't care about what's new with the things cool, and it's timeless enough, I'll get

Chris Sully:   1:11:11
I'm sure people listening or like s o far. They're like, there's a lot of similarities between these Sully brothers, but this is when we differ on vastly. I am Day one video game release guy. Take the day off and play it to stay ahead of everybody. I am watched the show week to week are all in the weekend. It drops because of I don't want anything spoiled. I don't want anybody to tell me what happens before I get the see the reveal. I am very different, and I don't say I detest the week to week releases. I definitely think there are some positives to it. Ah, and the one with one thing that makes week to week release good is the conversations that go on between the episodes with your friends. Like Lost was a prime example of how great that could be. But that was in a time where we didn't have a streaming up. That's right. And so now I think even that is lost because find somebody else that's gonna watch this week, the week I think the only show I can think of her that's happening now people are talking or WestWorld is westworld. Other than I can't cite anything where people are like, Oh, Did you see the latest Goldberg's? I mean, other than me, But

Matt Sully:   1:12:18
a lot lost is literally the last show that I planned to watch when it aired. Yep. And, well, man, I did, Yeah, I didn't miss him. Like I showed up every time. Now I was okay. I've been burned so many times on shows where I get into stuff and they cancel it. And so I honestly, I don't care anymore. I have no heart, for I will wait until the show is completely done. And then I'll wait for people to talk about it and say, That was a great show me like. Okay, cool. And then I'll check it out. Ah, I'm fine with waiting. No big deal. All right. Ah, a couple of notes here. So this was in development at T and T for over three years. Um, and during that time, the Siri's face numerous production issues and delays arising from creative differences between the serious producers and the network. The Siri's remain in development, tell until May 2018 when it was announced that the Siri's would instead air on TNT sister network, TBS, for a spring 2020 release, and that it was already renewed for a second season. However, in September 2019 the decision to change networks was reversed. So I don't know what's going on over there weird, but that doesn't really give me a lot of confidence, either. So,

Chris Sully:   1:13:35
well, if you compare TNT and TBS, which one is the is the bigger name? B, T and T Wouldn't I guess my about the same, but I'm wondering if that's a positive sign that they had decided to bring it back to TNT.

Matt Sully:   1:13:51
Some strange things, But we'll see. All right. It's a fun time. It's trivia time. We learned some cool things about Snowpiercer. I'm gonna hit a tough director. Bon Joon Ho often clashed with producer Harvey Weinstein, who frequently interfered in order to create his vision of the film. Among the many requests the producer insisted of having the fish scene removed in favour of more action. Bond, who considered it his favorite shot in the film, was adamant to keep it in. He told the producer that he wanted to keep the shot for personal reason as a tribute to his late father, who was a fisherman. Upon hearing this, Weinstein said that family is very important to him, so he granted Bond to keep the shot. In her interview, the director said, It was a fucking line. My father was not a fisherman. You just

Chris Sully:   1:14:37
gotta love that. I heard that earlier today, and I'm so glad that he stuck to his guns and found a way to work it out And knowing what we know about Weinstein now. Way to stick it to the man Dio love instinct. Yeah, moron. Ah, Sir John Hurt's character, named Gilliam is in homage to Terry Gilliam, a director of similarly bleak ended of the world titles such as Brazil, 12 Monkeys and The Zero Theorem by the Well Love 12 Monkeys. Yeah, I

Matt Sully:   1:15:08
Love Terry Gilliam, like his movies are quirky and, ah, he covered. He covers quite a spectrum, though, like, uh, there's a lot of quirky, but there's also some darks definite. There's this amazing colors like he just is amazing. He's, uh, he's really good. Um, Jamie Bell's character in the film is named Edgar and was named after the director Edgar Wright. So that's not here. Yeah,

Chris Sully:   1:15:31
Yeah. Writer and director Bon Joon ho explained that the protein block was made by combining seaweed, tangle, sugar and gelatin. Jamie Bell hated it while Tilda Swinton liked it. Ah,

Matt Sully:   1:15:46
Rebel Wilson was supposed to play the part of Claude, the right hand man, so to speak, to the train's engineer and conductor, Wilford. So your yellow jacket woman. Yeah, that that was gonna be Rebel Wilson.

Chris Sully:   1:15:56
I'll be honest. When I saw that character in the film, I got a Rebel Wilson vibe off over a little bit. So

Matt Sully:   1:16:03
they are a look they wanted,

Chris Sully:   1:16:06
I guess so. Or that chick from workaholics, The blonde on their That's their goofy friend that says the weird crap all the time. I can remember her name. Ah, next one. According to filmmakers, the revolt of the Sevens female leader is Nam Koong Min soo's song Kang Ho's wife and Yona co assumes mother. Interesting.

Matt Sully:   1:16:29
That's I. I had read that before I went and re watch this, and so I was trying to pay attention to see if there was any hint of that. And there is a little where they think when they see the frozen images of the people that are still out there that he talks about, that the leader was, Ah, in you it woman and knows he knows details about them. And, um, it doesn't well. She was born on the train and she's 17 so she would have been 10 and we don't know if the mom was even around with them. She she could have been the annual it woman who? He doesn't say that it was her mother or anything, but that's who it waas. But the fact that he knows details and the way that he's looking out the window and stuff, he's, uh there's something in there And I was also thinking, I was wondering if that was why they were in prison. Was that a wall that in some way? But he said something around the same time where he says, every year you look out the window, so I don't think that was it. I don't know what the offense was to put both of them in prison, but that's that's interesting. I'd like to know more on that, too. Same Bongino first wrote the part of Mason with John C. Reilly in mind, but then adapted the character for Tilda Swinton, though he intentionally left lines of Mason being referred to in the masculine form in the script, which shows up in the movie The Color, sir.

Chris Sully:   1:18:00
Yeah, I noticed that. And ah, it's funny because at Ah Sung Ko, the Funchal Fund cast the podcast. I'm on there. We're all good friends. And a long time ago we decided to call everyone, sir, females and males alike just because it was a sign of respect, that it was easier. And we'll do it in public sometimes and people look at us like we're nuts. I'll turn to this Hillary, who's clearly a female, very attractive lady. And I'll be like, Sir, Sir, Sir and everybody be like, What is wrong with you? Like, I think we're nuts. Ah, and I love that. I can't imagine what that film would have been like with John C. Reilly in that role. Like I see him, I think comedy. I know he's capable of more, but I don't know, my mind would have not been in the right place. I don't think I've

Matt Sully:   1:18:43
seen him in dramatic roles. He's a really good actor, like he's good, if ah ever watch Magnolia. You should see him in that he's fantastic and that

Chris Sully:   1:18:53
I have been have heard that brought up 10 times this year, and I've yet to see it. I need to go and break down

Matt Sully:   1:18:57
and watch it. Yeah, check it out.

Chris Sully:   1:18:58
The glasses that Mason was wearing were originally Tilda Swinton's. When writer and director Bon Joon Ho visitor, they played with her Children's play box and found them. Uh huh, interesting.

Matt Sully:   1:19:09
So she's to be super blind cause those things air thick, I guess. No doubt. There are 1000 1 sections in the train and 26 sections appear during the course. The film bond had wanted to show a zoo section if the budget allowed him, but it didn't want to happen.

Chris Sully:   1:19:23
I wondered about that. It felt like when they were going through that we saw it all. But then I had questions about, like where all the animals, where do they poop? Like there were things that ah, that didn't make sense, and I just assumed we didn't see all the cars. But then my thought kept going to like, if you want to go all the way back to the water you got to go through all you gotta go through the kid's school. You've got to go through all these other rooms like there was No, they didn't leave a whole way down the side. You know, I always had to go down the middle of everything, which I thought was very interesting.

Matt Sully:   1:19:54
Yeah, I think they were meant to be compartmentalized where people in once. Well, but that's not the case again. This wasn't built for that purpose. It became time. Anarchy. Eso. Yeah, and it is

Chris Sully:   1:20:08
about maximising space to Ah, the markings on the engine. A circle with a narrow s on it represent the ying yang, the same relationship between the front and the back of the train. The front can't survive without the Children of the back and the back can't survive without the food from the front. A perfect symbiotic relationship.

Matt Sully:   1:20:28
And then there's a bunch of goofy teenagers dancing on drugs.

Chris Sully:   1:20:33
Sometimes I don't know where they fit into the circle

Matt Sully:   1:20:36
of life, but I guess

Chris Sully:   1:20:38
they're ready to fight at the end. Yes, sure. And what their

Matt Sully:   1:20:42
drugs back. Ah, all the artist's drawings of the movie are drawn by Jean Marc Roche it the original illustrator of the Snowpiercer graphic novel. So being there and they're really good. I love all that

Chris Sully:   1:20:54
about, like, the drawings of the kids. Yeah, it does all this, Uncle. Yes, those were good. And the man without an arm that was meant to lead him all. And, yeah, there was some really cool drawings in there. I like his style. Yeah, I love that. I love the trivia. Somebody fund. Thanks. Yeah. I wish there were

Matt Sully:   1:21:11
some more for this, but, Ah, there wasn't a ton, But I feel like we got some good stuff in there. Well, I I enjoyed talk about Snowpiercer. Um, it is a great movie. I think we're both recommend. You should go out and watch it. You're gonna watch the television. Siri's I may wait a few years, but, um, you let me know if it's any good. And

Chris Sully:   1:21:34
I mean, we don't have to wait long. It's two weeks from today when we're recording. So I'm excited about

Matt Sully:   1:21:38
that. Yeah. Forget this out In a couple days, you'll still be able to listen to this before Ah, the TV show airs. Well, thank you again. Everybody for coming Ah, this has been another fantastic episode of movie retakes. Ah, thank you, my brother. Showing up always. Always a little fun.

Chris Sully:   1:21:54
Yeah, and absolutely. Don't forget if this does go up in the next few days. We do have that awesome Ghostbusters giveaway going on right now. Or if you listen to this in the future, just follow our social channels. Chances are there's another giveaway of some kind going on. Don't forget to enter those. Ah, and return daily for more opportunities to win. Fantastic. Don't forget to say energy night, nerds unite. There it is. What? I think the engine stops. Stop the reason.